[Albion] Pedro's "challenge" on Walton

[One Teddy Maybank]

This was quoted earlier in the thread - by @Bozza I think - and people have commented on it. Just because he used to be a ref, his view carries no no weight than yours or mine. The only views that actually matter in the context of the game are the ref and VAR. They decided a a yellow was sufficient.

And as you said in your previous reply to me - yes, these decisions are all subjective. And if it had been Delap on Bart, of course I’d be unhappy. But that doesn’t mean I’d be right in that situation. We have loads of post game comments on here after games where we all think we’re right … err no. Just like ex pro pundits or retired refs will have different views on the same incident … so will we.

Good post.
Watched it live as on holiday and the pundits initially were on the ‘no further action’ side, then when they saw it back, said ‘yellow’.
I think @Commander nailed it in terms of Pedro’s action much earlier in the thread, I maintain if Walton drives the ball, it would have not been full-on contact.

As for Keith Hackett, desperately trying to stay relevant.

 

[Machiavelli]

Good post.
Watched it live as on holiday and the pundits initially were on the ‘no further action’ side, then when they saw it back, said ‘yellow’.
I think @Commander nailed it in terms of Pedro’s action much earlier in the thread, I maintain if Walton drives the ball, it would have not been full-on contact.

As for Keith Hackett, desperately trying to stay relevant.

Agreed, but I wouldn't invoke the pundits, Virgo and Sidwell, as providing some special insight. I'm with both @PascalGroß Tips and @Easy 10: it's ultimately subjective, and could have gone either way -- and by either, I mean yellow or red.
Shows what a tough job officiating is.

 

[Guinness Boy]

Why is consensus important to you now when it wasn't after the elbow incident?

This thread is just one of thousands of threads posted on any football forum where some supporters think their own players aren't able to break rules or noses for some sort of moral reasons tied to their club. They're all wrong. Always. Even when they're right they're right for the wrong reasons: homeblindness.

So in this case and the Brentford one the fans agreeing with the ref are wrong?

Altogether now, sing it with me…..

“De Zerbi’s right, the refs are shite…”

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

When asked PGMOL why this was not deemed a late challenge out of control that endangered an opponent (which in their handbook is a red card whether deliberate or not) they said “because in the context of football incidents like this are different.”

In my view it is a yellow and correct decision, i would have said the same if happened to Bart. He has a right to challenge for the ball as he is expecting the kick away. Pedro does take evasive action and controls his limbs and head. However it is a brusque challenge, and the effect of it is worthy of a yellow.

The chat about this is odd. Ipswich are not complaining about it, McKenna said pretty much the above.

Weird reply from the PGMOL. What context are the FA laws then?

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Yellow seems about right but I wouldn’t have disagreed had it been red…it ticks all the FA laws boxes for one.

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

Can think of a few clever EPL keepers where Pedro would have come off seriously second best in that challenge

 

[One Teddy Maybank]

Agreed, but I wouldn't invoke the pundits, Virgo and Sidwell, as providing some special insight. I'm with both @PascalGroß Tips and @Easy 10: it's ultimately subjective, and could have gone either way -- and by either, I mean yellow or red.
Shows what a tough job officiating is.

I don’t disagree, but I’ve seen posters quote, ‘anyone who’s played at any level’, well actually that’s clearly bollocks, as per pundits disagreeing.

Incidentally, this wasn’t Virgo and Sidwell…. Though I suspect I’m misreading and that’s an example

 

[The Antikythera Mechanism]

Not even a yellow

 

[A1X]

Not even a yellow

He probably doesn’t

 

[Uh_huh_him]

"This is a nailed on red card for serious foul play. He knows exactly what he's doing. This is a challenge with excessive force that endangers the safety of the goalkeeper. Referees should not await the outcome to see if the goalkeeper is injured or not. Totally unacceptable, and I would suggest that the referee and VAR require some operational advice".

- Keith Hackett

The same Keith Hackett , who explained that Rice's second yellow shouldn't have been given, because the ball was moving when Veltman went to kick it.
He actually had that opinion published in one of the Sunday papers

 

[Easy 10]

The same Keith Hackett , who explained that Rice's second yellow shouldn't have been given, because the ball was moving when Veltman went to kick it.
He actually had that opinion published in one of the Sunday papers

I'm not saying Hackett is "the guru". I just agree with his assessment that JP was damn lucky not to see red. He launced himself at full pelt, was completely out of control, and it was bloody dangerous. It was a huge impact on the keeper who, to his credit, didn't make as much of it as he could. Imagine if that was Martinez. He'd have had a white sheet pulled over him.

 

[Swimboy64]

He jumps because he starts to slow down from a sprint.
The bloke's quick, but he's no road runner. Sto.pping on a dime would have caused him a lot of damage.

If his intent was to cause damage. Carrying on in a straight line would have been far more effective.

 

[Guy Fawkes]

Not even a yellow

Well he was late, and went into Gazza's foot after Gazza had already cleared the ball so can see why it could have been a yellow (or red if it were Pedro, according to some on here)

 

[Han Solo]

He jumps because he starts to slow down from a sprint.
The bloke's quick, but he's no road runner. Sto.pping on a dime would have caused him a lot of damage.

If his intent was to cause damage. Carrying on in a straight line would have been far more effective.

Has there ever been a situation where a Brighton player wasn't Jesus Christ reincarnated and actually made something nasty on purpose, in your view?

 

[Uh_huh_him]

I'm not saying Hackett is "the guru". I just agree with his assessment that JP was damn lucky not to see red. He launced himself at full pelt, was completely out of control, and it was bloody dangerous. It was a huge impact on the keeper who, to his credit, didn't make as much of it as he could. Imagine if that was Martinez. He'd have had a white sheet pulled over him.

Hackett always likes to make black and white statements against contentious, subjective decisions.
It's his M.O. It guarantees him some retweets.

The phrase "I can see why the ref has given it" , is not in his repertoire.
I suspect he has an axe to grind with PGMOL.

 

[Brian Munich]

Not even a yellow

Am I imagining this, but didn't Gazza himself retrospectively say that he wished he had been yellow carded for this early challenge? The reason being that he'd have not then gone flying into the challenge a few minutes later that saw him miss the entire following season and never realise his full career potential.

Basically, England fans can blame Roger Milford for denying us the full potential of the most exciting talent of a generation.