[Albion] Pedro's "challenge" on Walton

[SeagullinExile]

I’ve asked approximately 20 or so people in the pub today if they thought it was a red. Not one of them thought it was. None of them Albion fans btw.

 

[Creaky]

I’ve asked approximately 20 or so people in the pub today if they thought it was a red. Not one of them thought it was. None of them Albion fans btw.

You did well to find 20 non-Brighton supporters who watched the match!

 

[American Seagle]

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That is complete and utter bollocks. He could just as easily have been seriously injured himself from his "accidental deliberate" collision... He was at full pelt and had nowhere to go!

Haha that's why he changes his body position. He could have avoided the collision, but knows he doesn't have to...so it is really borderline. Anyone who has played sports will recognize that collision as such. Or they are particularly naive.

 

[Chicken Run]

I’ve asked approximately 20 or so people in the pub today if they thought it was a red. Not one of them thought it was. None of them Albion fans btw.

Sounds like family fortunes

 

[Pliny the Gull]

I was in the lower, pretty much pitch level , right in line.
My 1st thought was Walton was expecting the ball was coming at him at a faster pace than was. Hence some hesitation at the last moment. I thought goal on here.

 

[Ike and Tina Burner]

Absolute, stone wall red card. I find it slightly mind boggling that anyone on here can think otherwise, let alone a group of EPL officials. Walton, the dirty bastard, could have killed Joao by getting in his way like that.

 

[Easy 10]

It's funny because I didn't see it as a red when it happened ... and neither did the ref or VAR. Pedro had eyes on the ball as he ran towards it. I don't think we'd be having the same debate if it was two outfield players going for a ball and colliding.

I'll agree to disagree then. Its all subjective, but as I said earlier, if that was Delap on Verbruggen (given that he was throwing himself around like a twat all night), its not a challenge I would have been happy with at all. It was only luck that it didn't result in something more serious.

 

[SeagullinExile]

You did well to find 20 non-Brighton supporters who watched the match!

I get at least that many in the pub for any PL match that’s live tbh.

 

[Easy 10]

No attempt to slow himself, well apart from the 9th to the start of the 11th second in the clip, where you can see he tries to slow himself and no longer sprinting flat out, and then the collision happens at almost the beginning of the 12 second (still the 11th, just) so i'm not sure how quickly you'd expect him to have been able to stop ?

If thats your take, then he was clearly out of control. Whatever way you splice it, IMO, he was fortunate it was only a yellow.
As said though, its all subjective. Nobody can state the decision was right or wrong. But personally, I think JP got lucky there.

 

[Justice]

I get bumped like that all the time on the tube.

You are going to have to start carding them.

 

[Greg Bobkin]

More than 200 posts about an incident and decision that not even Brighton fans can agree on. No wonder VAR is such a facking shambles!

 

[Easy 10]

"This is a nailed on red card for serious foul play. He knows exactly what he's doing. This is a challenge with excessive force that endangers the safety of the goalkeeper. Referees should not await the outcome to see if the goalkeeper is injured or not. Totally unacceptable, and I would suggest that the referee and VAR require some operational advice".

- Keith Hackett

 

[nsclurker]

I thought whilst watching it at the ground that there was a poor underhit backpass by the Ipswich defender and Pedro had every right to go for it and that both his and the keeper's momentum was always likely to result in a collision as both went for the ball.

Pedro then realised that he probably isn't getting there first or they will get there at the same time and it would be a heavy hit so tried to stop but was going to fast to be able to stop and avoid any collision so he's probably tried to minimise the collision and likely jumped to reduce the risk of injury to himself (aka taking action to protect himself such as trying to avoid studs getting caught in the turf when contact is made & lessen the impact on himself when as he knew he was about to get hit) rather than intending to cause injury to the keeper. (Which is probably what VAR and the ref decided happened too and why neither decided it was a red card offense)

At the time i thought it was a harsh booking (both players committed to try to win the ball and then one tried to stop but couldn't so tried to minimise it) but can see why a yellow was given but I didn't and still don't see it as a red card offense, but it's probably one of those where if it had been given by the ref, VAR wouldn't have overturned it either. (I suspect if a red was given, a lot would be calling it harsh, jusging that he was entitled to go for it due to the poor backpass and it was a natural coming together of 2 committed players trying to get on the end of it first)

Conversely, I thought it looked like a shocker at the ground and every replay I saw on the way home made it look worse.

He was very lucky the ref didn't seem to know what to do and took the easy route of a yellow card.

We would have been going batshit if Delap had done the same to Bart.

 

[US Seagull]

Try X

I'd rather poke out my own eyes.

Besides, Twitter is unusable now without an account and I deleted mine a long time ago.

 

[Chicken Run]

I'll agree to disagree then. Its all subjective, but as I said earlier, if that was Delap on Verbruggen (given that he was throwing himself around like a twat all night), its not a challenge I would have been happy with at all. It was only luck that it didn't result in something more serious.

I totally agree, if Delap had ploughed through Bart like that the bed wetting on here would go into overdrive, we and Pedro are lucky, he could have seriously injured Walton, and if he got sent off possibly could have cost us the game!

 

[Littlemo]

Thought it looked deliberate and a red card at the time, not changed my mind on that. He’s lucky to get away with that and a few others lately, unless he actually wants a red card.

 

[PascalGroß Tips]

"This is a nailed on red card for serious foul play. He knows exactly what he's doing. This is a challenge with excessive force that endangers the safety of the goalkeeper. Referees should not await the outcome to see if the goalkeeper is injured or not. Totally unacceptable, and I would suggest that the referee and VAR require some operational advice".

- Keith Hackett

This was quoted earlier in the thread - by @Bozza I think - and people have commented on it. Just because he used to be a ref, his view carries no more weight than yours or mine. The only views that actually matter in the context of the game are the ref and VAR. They decided a a yellow was sufficient.

And as you said in your previous reply to me - yes, these decisions are all subjective. And if it had been Delap on Bart, of course I’d be unhappy. But that doesn’t mean I’d be right in that situation. We have loads of post game comments on here after games where we all think we’re right … err no. Just like ex pro pundits or retired refs will have different views on the same incident … so will we.

 

[sussex_guy2k2]

Personally I think it’s in orange card territory, and wouldn’t have been shocked if he’d seen red. I think he has every right to go for it, and reasonably expects the GK to punt it high and forward, and if the ball hits him when he’s doing that, I don’t think we’re having this conversation.

But Walton plays it well, JP falls for the bait, and he’s out of control.

Overall, we’re probably on the lucky side, as we have been a few times lately with refereeing decisions.

 

[Han Solo]

Listening to the Football Ramble.
Consensus was not a red.

Funny that, I'd heard on here that all football fans were amazed, that Pedro had escaped life imprisonment.

Why is consensus important to you now when it wasn't after the elbow incident?

This thread is just one of thousands of threads posted on any football forum where some supporters think their own players aren't able to break rules or noses for some sort of moral reasons tied to their club. They're all wrong. Always. Even when they're right they're right for the wrong reasons: homeblindness.

 

[One Teddy Maybank]

I'm stupidly still seething about that so not sure why I didn't include it!

You and me both.
Terrible decision.