It's good, it will save a lot of expense at the Hague.
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[Politics] Russia invades Ukraine (24/02/2022)
- Thread starter vegster
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- Aug 24, 2020
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Get your heads round this. What an insane, f***ed up country. You need to read it all.
Shocking stuff... Russia attempted to cover it up (no surprise in a way).
Better to just land at the nearest Russian airport (ignore their refusals) and tell them all passengers are live streaming it.
Awful.
- Aug 24, 2020
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It's difficult to process. OK, they made a tragic mistake and fired a missile at a civilian plane. Mistakes happen in war.
But to then try to cover it up, knowing you are intentionally sending a plane load of innocent civilians to their death, is off the scale.
They have no regard for the sanctity of human life.
Surely. Surely, the peace talks can now go only one way.
- Aug 24, 2020
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The Israeli airline El Al has announced that it is suspending flights into Russian airspace.
Meanwhile, Spanish coastguard rescues Russian seamen in the Med
- Aug 24, 2020
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Who are all indirectly helping the Russian war effort.Meanwhile, Spanish coastguard rescues Russian seamen in the Med
It is right that the west shows the barbarians the way to behave. 'For those in peril on the sea' still applies, even to Russians.
Even though Russia turns it on its head, and deliberately imperils a plane load of foreigners to the sea, to save its embarrassment.
- Aug 24, 2020
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The ruble is down 5% against the USD this morning.
It began the day at 0.01 USD and is now at 0.0095 USD. There has been no action taken yet by the central bank of Russia.
Edit: 00.93 within a moment.
It began the day at 0.01 USD and is now at 0.0095 USD. There has been no action taken yet by the central bank of Russia.
Edit: 00.93 within a moment.
Until Putin is not in charge?
The Fifth Column
Lazy mug
People stating that the Russians 'made a mistake' shooting the plane down might want to dial back on that a bit until more is known. Theres a very good chance that there were people on that flight the Russians wanted dead or as they would say, 'killed in a tragic air crash' . It was after all a flight to Chechnya so that could be significant. This has all the hallmarks of a deliberate attack by Russia and that would be my view until proven otherwise.
fly high
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A bit more than just fascinating. West needs to wake up & stop being so cowardly expecting others to suffer the pain. Governments dithering/procrastinating over increasing defence spending, maybe Trumps 5% a bit OTT but we & the rest should have started upping our game in Feb 22. The Baltics & Poland did but not the rest of us.
- Aug 24, 2020
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Hang on a minute. You advise others to dial back, but then, you turn your own dial up to 11 !
There are a number of theories going round. An intentional mass murder, but targeting one or a handful of people by Russia, is just one of them. Not sure that anyone has said there is 'a very good chance' of this though? I'm not saying they aren't capable of it of course.
Another one going round, is that it was intended, after the plane tried to land in Grozny three times. Another is that Russia launched the missile, and then realised it was a civilian plane, and shot the missile down when it was close to the plane, hence the shrapnel damage to the fuselage.
Unsurprisingly, an early version of events (a flock of birds) has been withdrawn by Russian media...
But the incriminating evidence is building, not least from the survivors. According to the Youtuber, Konstantin Samoilov, Russia has been excluded from the investigation by Kazakhstan, so we should get the full, clear version at some point. I'm hoping it will stay in the news for a long, long time.
Blimey, how much alcohol does one need to go with that mad theory?
The first missile would be going at the speed of, well, a missile. How many seconds before they changed their minds? Then how many minutes before they found a missile capable of shooting down one of their own missile, that happens to be in the right location? I'm not even sure that such a missile exists (stopping a missile that's flying away, as opposed to inbound). And if one did exist, and they did find one and quickly make the decision to fire it, how on earth is it going to catch up the first one?
That is a lot of alcohol.
happypig
Staring at the rude boys
That would make the most sense; Anti-aircraft missiles are designed to detonate at the front of the aircraft and pretty much shred the cockpit/controls. The fact that the pilots seemed to have some control (although sadly not enough) suggests the missile didn't detonate where it should.
happypig
Staring at the rude boys
Ground controlled missiles have an "abort" function whereby the crew can detonate it before it hits the target.
Yes, and that would be a different theory to the one I was debunking. Ain't no way they shot the missile down with another missile.
- Aug 24, 2020
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I read a tweet or a reply to something, ostensibly from someone who claimed to be a pilot, which said that planes give out a signal, identifying themselves as military or civilian. So, if a missile was launched at the plane, the Russian who was operating the anti-aircraft system, whether on the vodka or not, either didn't see the signal, or ignored it.