Put like that I’m surprised you can be arsed !
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[Politics] The Labour Government
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We haven’t only taken people who aren’t educated. We’ve taken people with 3 languages and a master’s degree. And to be honest I’d say they were probably the worst ones. My most successful hires have been people with no qualifications who’ve got to that stage in their life where they’ve thought ‘shit, I need to make a go of things now’. All the people I’ve hired that have done really well have been in that demographic. But the problem is you have to burn through a lot of wasters who say the right things but don’t mean them before you find those people. And that isn’t possible if somebody has full employment rights from day one and you can’t have the ‘this isn’t working’ chat when it is clear that it isn’t after a few weeks / months.
To be honest, after my experience of the last few years I’d bite your hand off for for average people and high staffing costs…
Yes well I have had that conversation with myself many times! But it will be worth it if I can retire at 55.Put like that I’m surprised you can be arsed !
cjd
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When I read arrogant shit like this I despair.
Fair enough. The key is to identify the “stage in their life where they’ve thought ‘shit, I need to make a go of things now’.” cohort; how you do this I don’t know. I think I’m correct in saying no one has full employment rights until 6 months in Germany. There’s nothing to stop folk performing well then taking their foot off the gas after this period but this does weed out the truly shit. 6 months then you’re stuck with someone with very strong rights.
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cjd
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I don't think it was. I know it was.
It wasn’t meant to be; more questioning expectations. But you subsequently added a different angle to it which I hadn’t considered. Apologies.
cjd
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To even suggest that because some people are not academically minded they " can't be arsed to get educated so probably can't be arsed to work" is just disgusting.
Not unlike you.
When I started in this game I had no qualifications. Mainly because I was a right lazy f*** more interested in getting pissed than wanting to work.
Obviously I’ve completely changed now
Weststander
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I’ve sat with probably 100’s of bosses, and their staff, over decades. A real insight.
Good employers are worth their weight in gold, staff generally go the extra mile. If someone works in that scenario and is happy, hang around!
There are also some vile business owners out there, interestingly it’s got zilch to do with their background or party politics. I saw tw@ts who had a working class background, claimed to be Labour, yet treated staff like crap. Also posh horrible bosses.
cjd
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And there is what I find so interesting.
When I started in this game I had no qualifications. Mainly because I was a right lazy f*** more interested in getting pissed than wanting to work.
Obviously I’ve completely changed now
People progress at different stages in their life. Unfortunately , early education is all about attainment at 16 for GCSE,s ( GCE,s in my day ) and A-levels at 18...and so on. If you're not on the conveyor belt at those ages, some arseholes write you off.
I have six children.
The eldest got zero GCSE,s at 16. Did a further year at the Academy which I used to see him playing football almost non stop every time I passed the school playing fields in my car.
I took him to France with me and asked a friend to employ him for a few weeks who was building a bungalow. After several weeks, he came back to the UK with me and I asked him what he wanted to do...more education or what...? " I 'm happy to dig holes in the road dad " he said. I phoned a friend and he commenced worked in the building industry. The only thing I asked him, was to do his best. He did. Fast forward the next 8 years...he worked hard and diligently. He started his own business. Fast forward again, he has multiple properties, a terrific reputation locally for the standard of his company's work and work ethic and employs anything between 9 and 15 employees,.. He has a thriving family, each now building their own dynasties. He posts on here rarely, but knows I do.
My eldest daughter left school with no GCSe's. She now, after many years later, has a degree , her partner is a consultant in the NHS. She is thriving with her family and works bloody hard at A & E in Worthing.. My next son earns more than I ever did at 25 years old. Next in line is my 23year old son just buying his first property. A bit late but hey ho. The next two are in similar positions. I hope they will succeed too, but education....
? It is merely another string to your bow. A good thing to have, but to never, never, never ever to be written off by the likes of Herr Tubthumper who as far as I can see his only vice and usefulness in society is to fill his face with fancy foods and buy expensive running shoes ( or maybe inner tubes for his bicycle ...I can never remember quite what his relevance in life is ).Education can be a great help....but it really isn't the only answer to a good and fulfilling life, not just for yourself, but to society too.
I think to be honest the single most important skill in life is the ability to influence (and dare I say manipulate) people. You don’t really learn that in education, and no amount of academic prowess can teach you that. Success in life has very little to do with intelligence / academic achievement in my experience, and everything to do with social skills and the ability to spot opportunities when they come along, and take advantage of them.And there is what I find so interesting.
People progress at different stages in their life. Unfortunately , early education is all about attainment at 16 for GCSE,s ( GCE,s in my day ) and A-levels at 18...and so on. If you're not on the conveyor belt at those ages, some arseholes write you off.
I have six children.
The eldest got zero GCSE,s at 16. Did a further year at the Academy which I used to see him playing football almost non stop every time I passed the school playing fields in my car.
I took him to France with me and asked a friend to employ him for a few weeks who was building a bungalow. After several weeks, he came back to the UK with me and I asked him what he wanted to do...more education or what...? " I 'm happy to dig holes in the road dad " he said. I phoned a friend and he commenced worked in the building industry. The only thing I asked him, was to do his best. He did. Fast forward the next 8 years...he worked hard and diligently. He started his own business. Fast forward again, he has multiple properties, a terrific reputation locally for the standard of his company's work and work ethic and employs anything between 9 and 15 employees,.. He has a thriving family, each now building their own dynasties. He posts on here rarely, but knows I do.
My eldest daughter left school with no GCSe's. She now, after many years later, has a degree , her partner is a consultant in the NHS. She is thriving with her family and works bloody hard at A & E in Worthing.. My next son earns more than I ever did at 25 years old. Next in line is my 23year old son just buying his first property. A bit late but hey ho. The next two are in similar positions. I hope they will succeed too, but education....
Education can be a great help....but it really isn't the only answer to a good and fulfilling life, not just for yourself, but to society too.
If I was given the opportunity to magic a skill into my offspring it wouldn’t be a language or a trade or a qualification, it would be the ability to get other people to do what you want them to do.
That sounds awful reading it back, but it isn’t meant to be. If you have that skill you can do anything.
You should leave HT alone though, he’s alright. He just likes to provoke.
Weststander
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My advice to anyone looking at careers. Is to get good at something, invariably that takes time and resilience, and make sure it’s something you enjoy or at least don’t mind but rapport/money make it fine in the whole. When you’re able to take responsibility for tasks thus easing pressure from your boss or clients, you become very valuable. Responsibility meaning taking ownership, seeing things through to a conclusion.
I think you might be confusing me with someone else regarding running shoes and inner tubes. What I do offer though. is astute and balanced poltical commentary, music, puns and dad jokes. You said your son wanted to dig holes.......did he dig the big hole which appeared in our road last week? The police are now looking into it.
I'm never one to miss a chance to post an affiliated link. So here's a relevant one.
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I'm sorry, that was worded very poorly. I appreciate the amount of work, hassle and stress that goes into building businesses having done it a few times myself (getting a lucky break in my early twenties after pissing about since leaving school at 15 with a few GCEs) and then working my guts out employing a couple of hundred people directly (and hundreds more before when I was an employee). So I have some understanding of the issues with recruiting and building businesses. And I found making people redundant the worst, albeit there is normally no other alternative to the whole thing going down. I also inherited a number of offshore functions and found that rather than being easier they were even more stressful. Don't underestimate the advantages of being able to chat informally to someone over a coffee or a pint.
The point I was trying to make, albeit badly, was that by offshoring everything to countries that have far worse working conditions than the UK, you are taking that very opportunity from anyone else in your or my situation in order to make a few more quid. You've always come across on here as someone who cares deeply about the ethics of your business, who they employ and how they are treated.
I can't see what this new bill will be asking that you probably don't do anyway, and the day1 rights can easily be overcome with a 3 month temporary contract, prior to permanent, something I've done in the past. I let people go in their first week (and paid them the month) a number of times if I felt it wasn't working out. The employers NI increase will, at worst, only put us back to where we were in January when the last government decided to cut it.
And if you can retire early, all the stress will seem worth it, even if it's questionable at the time.
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Mellor 3 Ward 4
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Sweeping generalisation IMO (although you do say 'probably!)
Some of the hardest workers I know, had very few opportunities growing up, lack of a decent education more down to family/parents who couldn't give a
about schooling.Further education not an option, they barely made it through school, but by application and hard work they've done very well for themselves.
I agree. It was a generalisation. One I fessed up to in a subsequent post to @Commander . I stand by the fact that if you obtain a qualification in anything, academic or vocational, it does demonstrate a level of application.....but not necessarily conversely i.e. if you do not obtain qualifications it's a measure of lack of application.Sweeping generalisation IMO (although you do say 'probably!)
Some of the hardest workers I know, had very few opportunities growing up, lack of a decent education more down to family/parents who couldn't give a
Further education not an option, they barely made it through school, but by application and hard work they've done very well for themselves.