[Politics] Protests/rioting in lots of places

nevergoagain said:

I think some are looking a bit too deep in this. I did see the lad who was from a Nordic country who was accused of instigating via social media, I might be wrong but he looked mixed race to me, no doubt a far right nut job though. Those in the UK who took part in the unrest though I don't think are really "far right", I think they are just stupid people who would go along with the crowd whatever the background cause was if there was a chance to have a rob and break stuff. The lad in the St George shirt prime example I don't imagine he can tie his own shoelaces let alone have a fully formed opinion on anything.

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The Clamp said:

Point of fact; he may be mixed race. People of all races can object to immigration. Anyone can be racist.

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nevergoagain said:

I know!. This was in response to Zeb with the comment about Neo Nazis wanting to exterminate non-white people.

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nevergoagain said:

I think some are looking a bit too deep in this. I did see the lad who was from a Nordic country who was accused of instigating via social media, I might be wrong but he looked mixed race to me, no doubt a far right nut job though. Those in the UK who took part in the unrest though I don't think are really "far right", I think they are just stupid people who would go along with the crowd whatever the background cause was if there was a chance to have a rob and break stuff. The lad in the St George shirt prime example I don't imagine he can tie his own shoelaces let alone have a fully formed opinion on anything.

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Eric the meek said:

Throughout your post, you seem to be trying to divert people's gaze, and diminish the people inciting others to riot, and those doing the rioting.
During the riots, people were in fear of their lives.

Rioting is a serious crime, evidenced by the lengthy sentences handed out to those convicted.
The public need to be protected from the mindless thuggery you seek to brush aside.

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nevergoagain said:

lol. You seem to be very wrong then. I haven't said anything that brushes aside thuggery I just said it was born out of stupidity for most of the rioters rather than a focussed political agenda and I stand by that.

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nevergoagain said:

I know!. This was in response to Zeb with the comment about Neo Nazis wanting to exterminate non-white people.

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The Five Questions Nigel Farage is Never Asked About Brexit, Trump and Russia

As the media provides the Reform Leader with a prominent platform, Peter Jukes considers all the concerning lines of enquiry that journalists never confront him with

bylinetimes.com

Did Russian disinformation fuel the Southport protests?

TBIJ looked at the digital footprint and spoke to protestors – and the evidence is weak

www.thebureauinvestigates.com

Russia on ‘mission to cause mayhem’ on British streets, warns MI5 head

In a wide-ranging speech, Ken McCallum also revealed MI5 had responded to 20 plots backed by Iran since 2022.

www.bbc.co.uk

Zeberdi said:

Did you fail to note the inverted commas? I was quoting from an investigation reported on the link I posted above.

It is now clear based on sound evidence that much of the driving force for the riots came from a loosely organised network of far right extremists operating from abroad - I btw have raised that connection several times on the Nigel Farage thread in the past because he has links to such extremists through eg Trump, Bannon and Victor Orbán and more insidiously, through the far right in Europe’s connection to Moscow.

I don’t subscribe to conspiracy theories, I prefer hard facts but IMO, it is not ‘going too deep’ into who was behind the riots when you bear in mind that the far right in Europe and Moscow share an agenda (for different reasons) of undermining democracy, destabilising the populace and fragmenting the cohesiveness of the European Community that still exists between the European Member States. ‘Brexit’ was one of the far right’s greatest achievements and played right into Moscow’s foreign policy toward Europe.

The evidence that foreign Neo-nazis were involved is proven and while the evidence that Russia was was directly involved in agitating the riots is still “weak”, I would suggest, there are risks associated with not looking deeply enough into events when they unfold around us - as the US electorate could be about to find out too late in the up and coming Presidential Election.


Sources

The Five Questions Nigel Farage is Never Asked About Brexit, Trump and Russia

As the media provides the Reform Leader with a prominent platform, Peter Jukes considers all the concerning lines of enquiry that journalists never confront him with

bylinetimes.com

Did Russian disinformation fuel the Southport protests?

TBIJ looked at the digital footprint and spoke to protestors – and the evidence is weak

www.thebureauinvestigates.com

Russia on ‘mission to cause mayhem’ on British streets, warns MI5 head

In a wide-ranging speech, Ken McCallum also revealed MI5 had responded to 20 plots backed by Iran since 2022.

www.bbc.co.uk

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nevergoagain said:

Christ, you write an essay at 6am and then completely edit it again 3 hours later. No I didn't fail to note your inverted commas nor did I state "your" comment but I said "the" comment. Please can you put me on ignore again.

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nevergoagain said:

think some are looking a bit too deep in this.

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The Clamp said:

They aren’t “looking to deep”. They are reporting their findings.

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nevergoagain said:

I know!. This was in response to Zeb with the comment about Neo Nazis wanting to exterminate non-white people.

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nevergoagain said:

I think some are looking a bit too deep in this. I did see the lad who was from a Nordic country who was accused of instigating via social media, I might be wrong but he looked mixed race to me, no doubt a far right nut job though. Those in the UK who took part in the unrest though I don't think are really "far right", I think they are just stupid people who would go along with the crowd whatever the background cause was if there was a chance to have a rob and break stuff. The lad in the St George shirt prime example I don't imagine he can tie his own shoelaces let alone have a fully formed opinion on anything.

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Eric the meek said:

@nevergoagain, you've now been given some direct feedback from a number of people, including myself.

At each juncture, you have expressed amusement and/or amazement, and now you are becoming a tad personal, and inventing things which didn't happen.

Think back to your judgement in writing 'I think some are looking a bit too deep in this'.

With the passage of time, and with the benefit of others' opinions, links and evidence, together with the 'thumbs up' that they received, and you didn't, do you think it may be the case that it is you who is looking too shallowly in this?

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Eric the meek said:

@nevergoagain, you've now been given some direct feedback from a number of people, including myself.

At each juncture, you have expressed amusement and/or amazement, and now you are becoming a tad personal, and inventing things which didn't happen.

Think back to your judgement in writing 'I think some are looking a bit too deep in this'.

With the passage of time, and with the benefit of others' opinions, links and evidence, together with the 'thumbs up' that they received, and you didn't, do you think it may be the case that it is you who is looking too shallowly in this?

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nevergoagain said:

A tad personal ?, by saying what exactly ?. Inventing things that didn't happen?. You and I clearly don't agree on our politics which is fine, I've no problem with that. Getting excited about a thumbs up is immature in my opinion but If by disagreeing with some on here who seem to love backslapping each other makes my views somewhat shallowly then I'll happily accept and gladly not be in that group.

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Eric the meek said:

'Christ, you write an essay at 6am and then completely edit it again 3 hours later.' Was that necessary?
Other people may keep different hours to you, or they may be in a different time zone. Besides, people are free to contribute whenever they want; not when you think they should.

As far as the other stuff goes, while it appears you happily contribute to the forum, you confirm again, that you have a problem with others giving you feedback, becoming irritable in the process.

This is a forum. Someone posts a comment. The rest of us discuss it and comment on its merits, or otherwise. I'm not sure you've quite got the hang of this yet.

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nevergoagain said:

Yep the circle wank seems to be complete. I'm out of this thread as this side squabble will be tedious for everyone else interested in an important subject.

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The Clamp said:

Thanks for letting us know.

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