[Politics] Protests/rioting in lots of places

[nicko31]

I want terrorists PUNISHED in PRISON, with spit, piss and shit in their food, I don’t want them being tucked up in HOSPITAL beds having their bumps TREATED by Doctors.

But then you knew that.

You been on the Geebies twitter feed again?

 

[WATFORD zero]

Our resident nonconformist, his word not mine, actually works in compliance at a large corporate

Rebel rebel!

I don't think you can appreciate the level of frustration, helplessness and anger that must build up when you have to keep the fact you're a principled, non conformist rebel under wraps and pretend you're something else entirely for hours and hours every day for years on end

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

I don't think you can appreciate the level of frustration, helplessness and anger that must build up when you have to keep the fact you're a principled, non conformist rebel under wraps and pretend you're something else entirely for hours and hours every day for years on end

No wonder he exploded in Marseille!

 

[cunning fergus]

Sutcliffe was transferred to Broadmoor after being diagnosed with Paranoid Schizophrenia - it was entirely appropriate he was moved to a maximum security mental health facility for his protection and others.

A crime requires that a person is fully aware of what they are doing and know that what they are doing is wrong and be in control of their actions:

A person diagnosed with severe paranoid schizophrenia does not necessarily fulfil those criteria at the time the offending act was committed. They can argue to have their sentence reduced to manslaughter on the grounds of diminished responsibility and the judge can commit the defendant to hospital under the MH act instead of prison. An insanity plea is a complete defence (ie they can not be guilty at all) but a judge can still commit the accused to a long term MH facility.

But they don’t all rot in prison - they get released back into the community with shortened sentences and on licence Do we want ex-offenders with severe MH problems released back into the community where their mental MH has likely to have declined significantly and where they are likely to reoffend, possibly with even more dire outcomes?

Personally I would rather they were kept indefinitely in a high security mental health unit on the grounds their MH is a risk to themselves and the community.

Answered above - it is not ‘appropriate justice’ to convict people of crimes if they had no knowledge of wrong doing and no autonomy at the time the act was committed- that’s not a political view, it’s the law and has been since the McNaghten case established the insanity plea in 1843 and diminished responsibility defence was introduced in the Homicide Act 1957.

Answered above.

That’s purely your opinion - and again conflating authentic spiritual experiences and faith with MH delusions that often take on a religious narrative - Freud was talking about the latter- Dawkins is simply expressing views as an atheist.

84% of the World’s population identifies with a religious group so there are bound to be a proportion of that percentage with mental health problems.

Religious delusions are not the source of mental illness - people with Schizophrenia have delusions which often reflect a religious theme.

However - To be classified as a ‘religious delusion, the belief must be idiosyncratic, rather than accepted within a particular culture or subculture’ - conflating Islam or Christianity or any other religion per se as the source of mental illness which in turn leads to violence, is simply incorrect.

You are also conflating extremist and fundamentalist forms of acceptable religions/political ideology with MH illness - there maybe overlap but ‘terrorism’ is a matter of radicalism and cultural/religious intolerance rather than a MH issue.

It’s not new as explained above - the insanity plea has been around since the C19th and diminished responsibility as a partial defence to murder has been part of English Law since 1957.

However, if you think people with severe mental health problems should be treated the same way under the law and by the penal system as those who are fully aware of their wrongdoing and in control of their impulses then that is of course another issue.

Blah, blah, blah.

As I said, the general public’s perception of mental illness being used as an underlying root cause for acts of violent terrorism is that it’s another Government ruse to rig the deck.

Trust by the public in Government and it’s institutions are at record lows, and that’s not party political; Grenfell this week, the blood transfusion and Post Office scandals are others off the top of my head for why.

I understand that some of the public will have implicit trust in our politicians, or at least some of them to tell us the truth and implement legislation and societal measures that protect the men and women on the Clapham omnibus. We got to see that drone like obedience play out in the pandemic, and to be honest there’s a lot more than I thought there was.

Nonetheless, societal measures are, of course, never more visceral in the hearts and minds of the general public than in law and order policy with respect to the protection of British citizens going about their business in their own country.

As ever time will tell whether religious fanatics that used to be run of the mill, common all garden religious fanatics carrying acts of violence on the unsuspecting general public are now being designated as tragic cases of religious delusion (ie mentally ill).

I am pretty confident that in time this approach will be proved to be just another Home Office/Government stitch up with the media to deflect the underlying fact that there are a fair constituency of people, living amongst us these days, that want to kill us and our children.

They (Governments) can’t tell us that though can they……….

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

They (Governments) can’t tell us that though can they……….

Tin foil Friday?

 

[cunning fergus]

@cunning fergus hammering away on his keyboard late last night.

Lovely work, and from someone with north of 60,000 posts on here too.

The needle on your narcissism-o-meter literally span round on this one like Linda Blair’s head didnt it?

 

[cunning fergus]

Tin foil Friday?

Wow, I can understand why some posters on here reference the historical contributions by posters as a “career”.

I can’t hang about I’m afraid I’ve got middle management stuff to do.

Chin chin.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Lovely work, and from someone with north of 60,000 posts on here too.

The needle on your narcissism-o-meter literally span round on this one like Linda Blair’s head didnt it?

But I don’t “hammer away”, I’m very light-of-touch when it comes to my typing.

 

[Deportivo Seagull]

Wow, I can understand why some posters on here reference the historical contributions by posters as a “career”.

I can’t hang about I’m afraid I’ve got middle management stuff to do.

Chin chin.

Not sure you can pin ‘cracking one off in cubicle four to the works Nigel Farage‘ as middle management stuff.

 

[Guinness Boy]

Blah, blah, blah.

As I said, the general public’s perception of mental illness being used as an underlying root cause for acts of violent terrorism is that it’s another Government ruse to rig the deck.

Trust by the public in Government and it’s institutions are at record lows, and that’s not party political; Grenfell this week, the blood transfusion and Post Office scandals are others off the top of my head for why.

I understand that some of the public will have implicit trust in our politicians, or at least some of them to tell us the truth and implement legislation and societal measures that protect the men and women on the Clapham omnibus. We got to see that drone like obedience play out in the pandemic, and to be honest there’s a lot more than I thought there was.

Nonetheless, societal measures are, of course, never more visceral in the hearts and minds of the general public than in law and order policy with respect to the protection of British citizens going about their business in their own country.

As ever time will tell whether religious fanatics that used to be run of the mill, common all garden religious fanatics carrying acts of violence on the unsuspecting general public are now being designated as tragic cases of religious delusion (ie mentally ill).

I am pretty confident that in time this approach will be proved to be just another Home Office/Government stitch up with the media to deflect the underlying fact that there are a fair constituency of people, living amongst us these days, that want to kill us and our children.

They (Governments) can’t tell us that though can they……….

More conspiracy theory nonsense. I preferred it when you at least attempted facts to be honest. But I guess, just like Farage, Trump and the rest of the right wing grift you've found facts have become inconvenient and insinuation and downright lies are far better as a tool to keep the man on the Clapham Omnibus scared of brown people.

Who'd have thought the brave, passport-free, freedom fighter of Marseille would be one of them?

 

[London Pompous]

Wow, I can understand why some posters on here reference the historical contributions by posters as a “career”.

I can’t hang about I’m afraid I’ve got middle management stuff to do.

Chin chin.

Thanks for keeping us safe from those money launderers by reporting them to the authorities Mr Power.

You‘re the fourth emergency service.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Thanks foe keeping us safe from those money launderers by reporting them to the authorities Mr Power.

You‘re the fourth emergency service.

No one likes a grass

 

[London Pompous]

Blah, blah, blah.

Trust by the public in Government and it’s institutions are at record lows, and that’s not party political; Grenfell this week, the blood transfusion and Post Office scandals are others off the top of my head for why.

Fair comment Bobster. Off the top of my head the award of Covid PPE contracts to Tory cronies and donors, and before that, the supply of shit computers to schools from another Tory donor, can’t remember who though.

 

[marlowe]

But I don’t “hammer away”, I’m very light-of-touch when it comes to my typing.

He probably wishes he'd said "thumping away" now as it would have given you less opportunity of a comeback.

 

[marlowe]

I want terrorists PUNISHED in PRISON, with spit, piss and shit in their food, I don’t want them being tucked up in HOSPITAL beds having their bumps TREATED by Doctors.

But then you knew that.

I see by your use of capitalisation you subscribe to the Trump school of social media posting.... athough you haven't yet quite got the hang of it....

For maximum effect you should have perhaps also capitalised the words TERRORISTS, SPIT, PISS, SHIT, FOOD, TUCKED, and BEDS.

If you had done perhaps you might have been taken a little more seriously rather than having had to endure the mockery and disdain which you have.

REMEMBER, THE CAPS LOCK IS YOUR FRIEND.

 

[Zeberdi]

Fair comment Bobster. Off the top of my head the award of Covid PPE contracts to Tory cronies and donors, and before that, the supply of shit computers to schools from another Tory donor, can’t remember who though.

Responding to my post by rudely calling my valid points ‘blah blah blah, isn’t a fair comment - @cunning fergus’s reply to the specific and factual points I raised in my previous response to him was to post a bunch of conspiracy theories that had little to do with the post he quoted as I said above.

It’s not me that posted a load of ‘blah blah blah’

(Although I suspect the rest of your post you were being ironic.)

 

[London Pompous]

One minute a poster thinks he is Tommy Robinson and acting out right wing racist hoolie fantasies, the next trying to be an intellectual, the Jordan Peterson stylee racist who can spell correctly and write long posts, he then morphs into TrumpIan style rants with lots of RANDOM words in CAPITALS.

I am concerned that such a poster may have mental health issues in the form of multiple personalities and deserves sympathy rather than mockery so please stop it NSC.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

9 years. Thomas Birley also had a string of previous convictions.

Man who set fire to asylum seeker hotel handed longest sentence yet for UK riots

Thomas Birley, 27, of Swinton, is sentenced at Sheffield Crown Court over his part in what the judge calls "grotesque" violence.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

9 years. Thomas Birley also had a string of previous convictions.

Man who set fire to asylum seeker hotel handed longest sentence yet for UK riots

Thomas Birley, 27, of Swinton, is sentenced at Sheffield Crown Court over his part in what the judge calls "grotesque" violence.

www.bbc.co.uk

"Birley has highly relevant previous convictions, including criminal damage, attacking emergency workers, and racially aggravated harassment, the court hears.

The 27-year-old, of Swinton, had previously been sentenced for some of those offences, the court is told.

A pre-sentence report had views which “raised alarm” with a probation officer, the judge says.

There were hints of a “white supremacist mindset”, Judge Richardson adds."

 

[shingle]

Ricky next up in front of the beak. mmm pleaded not guilty, interesting.