Silent Bob
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Yep, Champions League semi final last year. Playing excellent attacking football too.enigma said:And great success with PSV as well
Yep, Champions League semi final last year. Playing excellent attacking football too.enigma said:And great success with PSV as well
Easy 10 said:Other than reading a list of things he's won on the continent, what do we really know about Hiddink ? I'm not saying he'd necessarily be a bad appointment, but I think theres more to be considered when appointing an England manager than simply counting cups.
I like to see proof that a manager can make a team even more than the sum of its parts. That he can work with players to get the best out of them, get that bit extra out of the. A manager that players respect and respond to. I see that in Allardyce. OK, its never going to result in a procession of trophies at a club like Bolton, because the gulf in the Premiership between the elite and the rest is simply too vast nowadays. But given the chance on a bigger stage, I think Allardyce would be a huge success.
Thats not to say I'd dismiss Hiddink out of hand mind. But my gut feeling is that Allardyce is the man for this job.
Whatever then.ChapmansThe Saviour said:You ARE joking! On the back of those achievements you'd still pick Allardyce because of your gut feeling? You're talking bollocks mate.
Easy 10 said:Other than reading a list of things he's won on the continent, what do we really know about Hiddink ?
Blatantly not what he meant. What do you know about his management skills, what style of football does he favour, have you ever watched any of the teams that he's manged.Chesney Christ 1 said:What do you mean by that? What could we find out about him that would damage his suitability for the England job? A vicious racist streakl? A penchant for bestiality? Thats a vague, meaningless sentence of someone who has lost an argument.
No-ones won or lost any arguments, cos it only boils down to opinion.Chesney Christ 1 said:What do you mean by that? What could we find out about him that would damage his suitability for the England job? A vicious racist streakl? A penchant for bestiality? Thats a vague, meaningless sentence of someone who has lost an argument.
Redhead said:I think nay believe Allardyce would be a step back to the Graham Taylor school of football. I'd like to see Hiddink or possibly Roberto Mancini revived Lazio and working wonders at Inter.
Thank you, and well put.Billy the Fish said:Blatantly not what he meant. What do you know about his management skills, what style of football does he favour, have you ever watched any of the teams that he's manged.
Capello is a good shout but like most of the other top club managers, would he want to touch the job with a ten foot bargepole?
I don't understand the 'Allardyce will tack us back to the Graham Taylor school of football' arguement either. The only thing that links the two as far as i can see is the fact that they're both stereotypical northerners. If you can't see the hypocrisy of slating people who don't want a foreign manager and then saying a manager will play shit football just because he's northern, then you should be shot.
Guus Hiddink (born 8 November 1947 in Varsseveld, now part of Oude IJsselstreek) is a Dutch football coach who is currently the head coach for Dutch team PSV Eindhoven, as well as the manager of the Australian national team. Throughout his entire coaching career, he is best recognised for leading South Korea to a 4th place finish in the 2002 World Cup, coaching the Netherlands into the same position in the 1998 World Cup in France, and leading Australia to the 2006 World Cup for the first time in 32 years.Easy 10 said:No-ones won or lost any arguments, cos it only boils down to opinion.
We've got a good idea of Allardyce's character and the kind of bloke he is from seeing him and hearing him regularly on TV and reading his comments in the media, and having seen his teams play. He's brash, outspoken, calls a spade a spade, encourages his teams to compete physically with the opposition, but can also get them to play a bit. I feel I know more about Allardyce than I do about Hiddink, and aside from counting cups, that probably stands for most people.
*waits for the Hiddink biographers to come flooding *
ChapmansThe Saviour said:I think Hiddinks record is pretty formidable.
Early Club Career
Having honed his coaching skills with De Graafschap as an assistant manager, he took over the managerial role at PSV in 1987 after also holding the assistant manager position there from 1983 to March 1987. It was at PSV where he led the team to its first ever European Cup triumph in 1988 thereby ensuring the Eindhoven club's ranking as one of the three giants of Dutch football, alongside rivals Ajax and Feyenoord. He also won three Eredivisie titles with the club in between 1987 and 1990.
He also had coaching stints at Turkish club Fenerbahçe in 1990 but was dismissed after only one year before joining Spanish giants Valencia. His outspoken nature was demonstrated when during a league game at Valencia's Mestalla stadium, he ordered a racist banner to be removed from one of the stands. His open attacking brand of football appealed to the Valencia team as well as to the rest of the Spanish Premier League.
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Dutch National Team
The greatest challenge for Hiddink when he took over as the manager of the Netherlands in 1995 where he took charge of a team of talented individuals continuallly racked by internal arguments and disputes, as was seen in the Euro 1996 tournament, when Edgar Davids was sent home after an argument with Hiddink. He was able to avoid a similar player bust-up in the 1998 World Cup where his team played some of the more entertaining football in that tournament. His usual tactic of deploying wingers backed-up by central midfielders resulted in goals even by defensive midfielders such as Philip Cocu and Edgar Davids. A bitter defeat at the hands of Brazil in the semi-finals of the World Cup 1998 signalled an end of an era for Hiddink, as he resigned soon after.
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Return to Club Football
He was the manager at Real Madrid where he replaced Fabio Capello and signed Steve McManaman but failure to deliver the league title for only a year saw him get sacked and take over the reins at another Spanish club Real Betis in 2000 for only 3 months. However, the temptation to manage another World Cup-bound international team proved too irresistible for him as he became the head coach of the South Korea national football team on 1 January 2001.
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South Korean National Team
Success would not come easy with a team that had appeared in five straight World Cups and had yet to win a single match. Hiddink's team was also expected to perform better than the Japanese team in the 2002 World Cup tournament co-hosted by Japan and South Korea. Further, it was a tradition at the World Cup that the hosts would progress to the second round of the tournament and it was clearly expressed that Hiddink's team was expected to perform to that standard as well.
His first year in charge was not met with favourable reviews from the Korean press, as he was often spotted together with his girlfriend, when some felt he should instead have been taking charge of the team. After a 2-1 loss to the US Gold Cup team in January 2002, he was criticized again for not taking his job seriously. Nevertheless, the team he assembled was a cohesive unit that consequently proved to be the fittest team at the World Cup.
In the World Cup itself, the South Korean team achieved its first ever victory in the final stage (2-0, against Poland), and after a 1-1 draw with the USA and a further 1-0 victory against strongly-fancied Portugal, the South Korean team qualified for the second round, already realising the hopes of the Korean nation. The 2nd round opponents were Italy, who were defeated 2-1 after extra time in a game which recalled North Korea's victory over Italy in the 1966 World Cup. The South Korea public then began to dream of a semi-final berth, which was attained on defeating Spain on penalties. However, the South Korean team's run was halted by Germany in the semi-finals. As with the Netherlands team four years before in France, Hiddink led his team into fourth place after a defeat to Turkey in the 3rd place playoff. For the South Korean populace, Hiddink had done a commendable job as football pundits had never expected success near approaching this scale.
Hiddink was given the unofficial title of the most popular individual in the country, and became the first-ever person to be given honorary South Korean citizenship. In addition other rewards soon followed - a private villa in Jeju island; free flights for life with Korean Airlines and Asiana Airlines, free taxi rides, and so forth. The World Cup stadium in Gwangju was renamed Guus Hiddink Stadium in his honor shortly after the World Cup. His hometown became a popular stopover for South Koreans visiting the Netherlands.
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PSV Eindhoven
Hiddink chose to return to his native country despite being persuaded to extend his contract and has since taken over the coaching duties at PSV Eindhoven in 2003. In the Champions League of 2004/05, he led his team into its first ever appearance in the semi-final of the tournament since it adopted its current format in 1992/93 (PSV won the European Cup, the predecessor to the modern Champions League, in 1988). PSV lost the semi-final against AC Milan narrowly.
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Australian National Team
On the 22nd of July, 2005 Hiddink became manager of the Australian national team. He has announced he will manage both PSV and Australia at the same time, fulfilling a clause in his contract that allows him to coach at both club and national level. Guus Hiddink's favoured 'Socceroo' side was made public with the release of his squad for Australia's World Cup qualifier against Uruguay:
John Aloisi (Alaves, Spain), Marco Bresciano (Parma F.C., Italy), Tim Cahill (Everton F.C., England), Scott Chipperfield (FC Basel, Switzerland), Ante Covic (Hammarby IF, Sweden), Jason Culina (PSV Eindhoven, Netherlands), Ahmad Elrich (Fulham F.C., England), Brett Emerton (Blackburn Rovers, England), Vince Grella (Parma F.C., Italy), Joel Griffiths (Neuchatel Xamax, Switzerland), Zeljko Kalac (AC Milan, Italy), Harry Kewell (Liverpool F.C., England), Stan Lazaridis (Birmingham City, England), Ljubo Milicevic (FC Thun, Switzerland), Lucas Neill (Blackburn Rovers, England), Tony Popovic (Crystal Palace F.C., England), Mark Schwarzer (Middlesbrough F.C., England), Josip Skoko (Wigan Athletic, England), Archie Thompson (Melbourne Victory, Australia), Michael Thwaite (National Bucharest, Romania), Tony Vidmar (NAC Breda, Netherlands), Mark Viduka (Middlesbrough F.C., England), Luke Wilkshire (Bristol City F.C., England)
In the play-offs held in Montevideo on 12 November and in Sydney on 16 November 2005, both home teams won 1-0. Australia went on to win 4-2 on penalties – the first time Australia had qualified for the finals in 32 years, and the first time that any team had qualified through winning a penalty shoot-out.
Beach Hut said:Fabio Capello is the only logical choice IMHO