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[Thunder Bolt]

Yes straightaway, that was my point. I wasn’t sure if you had spotted it.

Right oh.

 

[KeithDublin]

I'm not so sure I agree with that. There is a reason that suicide is the biggest killer of men under 45 in the UK (and presumably elsewhere in the western world) and it's not coz life is easy.

Both things can be true. The fact that more men commit suicide doesn't negate the fact that we live in a patriarchal society.

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

Right oh.

The bit where I said ‘you have been whooshed’ and the smilie might have been a giveaway for you......

 

[Badger Boy]

And you know me from my less than 200 posts?

Both things can be true. The fact that more men commit suicide doesn't negate the fact that we live in a patriarchal society.

I'm comfortable saying you're talking out of your arse on this one particular topic. On everything else I have no comment or opinion, but on this one - I think you're about 20 years behind.

https://www.theargus.co.uk/news/18997349.matthew-day-cuckfield-found-dead-reported-missing/

Actually, I take my post back because of;

I'm not saying that, in fact I completely agree with you on this point. I believe that even though things are changing we still live in a patriarchal society. One of the reasons that more men are committing suicide, and the other points you mentioned is that, men feel that despite having these advantages that they have still failed and that can lead to depression and suicide.

The other point is the type of masculinity promoted by society. One that doesn't ask for help, and doesn't display emotion. Basically men suffer just as much from Patriarchy, than anyone else.

I think I misread your previous post, or misunderstood and I apologise.

 

[KeithDublin]

Nah I agree with everything you just said, this one tangent I was on is all a greater whole of divide and conquer that at its heart always comes back to the elites dividing and conquering the rest while they get richer off of your anger.




The majority of homeless people are men. The majority of suicide deaths are men. Young men graduate college and universities less than young women. Young women are out-earning young men. Single women are more likely to own a home than single men. There are gross discrepancies in the amount of government aid available to men and that available to women. Head to the park with your young daughter alone on a sunny day and tell me how you get on, I've heard horror stories from friends with children. Go take a look at how many mens shelters there are compared to womens for domestic violence despite it being 50/50.

The fact is, you are exactly what I mean by the problem: "You're a white man, you have it so much easier than women, if you're not succeeding then it's your own fault."

I'm not saying that, in fact I completely agree with you on this point. I believe that even though things are changing we still live in a patriarchal society. One of the reasons that more men are committing suicide, and the other points you mentioned is that, men feel that despite having these advantages that they have still failed and that can lead to depression and suicide.

The other point is the type of masculinity promoted by society. One that doesn't ask for help, and doesn't display emotion. Basically men suffer just as much from Patriarchy, than anyone else.

 

[KeithDublin]

I'm comfortable saying you're talking out of your arse on this one particular topic. On everything else I have no comment or opinion, but on this one - I think you're about 20 years behind.

https://www.theargus.co.uk/news/18997349.matthew-day-cuckfield-found-dead-reported-missing/

How does the high rate of suicide in men, prove that we don't live in a patriarchal society? In fact, I think that it's exactly this reason, that adds to the high rate. Unless you're making another point that I'm not getting?

 

[Weststander]

I'm not saying that, in fact I completely agree with you on this point. I believe that even though things are changing we still live in a patriarchal society. One of the reasons that more men are committing suicide, and the other points you mentioned is that, men feel that despite having these advantages that they have still failed and that can lead to depression and suicide.

The other point is the type of masculinity promoted by society. One that doesn't ask for help, and doesn't display emotion. Basically men suffer just as much from Patriarchy, than anyone else.

Good points.

Expanding that, I'd add the obvious that Facebook etc have given a wonderful blank canvas for liars to get their bullsh*t across to impressionable young men/adolescents and other age groups.

 

[Badger Boy]

How does the high rate of suicide in men, prove that we don't live in a patriarchal society? In fact, I think that it's exactly this reason, that adds to the high rate. Unless you're making another point that I'm not getting?

No, I think I misread your previous post and I've edited mine now based on that subsequent post. I apologise, I think I misunderstood your point but I understand now.

 

[KeithDublin]

No, I think I misread your previous post and I've edited mine now based on that subsequent post. I apologise, I think I misunderstood your point but I understand now.

No worries, I also don't think I made my point particularly well!

 

[Deleted member 22389]

I think you may have been whooshed
‘Liberal marxists’
‘I read it in the Spectator’

I’m never quite sure what to think when people post these Twitter links to random accounts. What’s the point ?

 

[vegster]

Interesting point being made here, it may well have been a genuine coup attempt ! https://twitter.com/hashtag/FionaHill

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

Incredibly, this is what things have come to:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...087c6bb325987e#block-5ff88d1e8f087c6bb325987e

'Nancy Pelosi said she is committed to “preventing an unhinged president from using the nuclear codes,” in a new letter to her House Democratic colleagues.

In the “Dear colleague” letter, the Democratic speaker notes that she spoke to the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, Mark Milley, this morning about “discuss available precautions for preventing an unstable president from initiating military hostilities or accessing the launch codes and ordering a nuclear strike.”'

 

[Acker79]

I’m never quite sure what to think when people post these Twitter links to random accounts. What’s the point ?

Can't speak for everyone but there are a number of reasons I post 'random' twitter accounts;

-Levity. Sometimes there's something funny that can ease the tension/highlight ridiculousness, etc. I like to share it.

-Sourcing. Anyone can come on here and say "people are saying..." (how trumpian!) By posting the tweet, it's saying 'this particular person is/these people are saying'. It allows people to judge the veracity, either just from the name or if they choose to put the effort in, they can look at the person's profile and look into how trustworthy they are.

-They're not very random, just someone you don't personally know/recognise. I follow a range of people who might be specialists in certain subjects without necessarily being famous. Within politics there are countless aides, assistants, speech writers, campaign staff who aren't recognisable but have insider access. There are so many blogs and specialist news sites populated by people who aren't necessarily known personalities, but are good sources of info in their arena. Or maybe they're not even specialists, maybe they are just people who are famous to particular fan bases. Rosie Holt appears in my timeline retweeted by a lot of more recognisable comedians (and because I follow her because I find her videos humorous). She is one of the people who have been building a decent fanbase in lockdown with these sorts of videos. Apparently TB didn't realise it, but she isn't that random. EDIT: Or maybe she did, and I misread her smilie response.

 

[JC Footy Genius]

As part of the "baying mobs outside Parliament", I wish to disagree! I took part in all three marches. They were all peaceful (not bad considering the second and third march attracted about a million people). It wasn't a question of overturning a democratic outcome. It was actually all about seeking a greater democratic validation of the 2016 Vote (which, remember, was "advisory"). The whole point of the marches was to seek a second referendum, once the terms of the deal had been clarified. There is absolutely no valid comparison with what happened on Capitol Hill (which, by the way, caused FIVE deaths).

The similarities between Trump-ism and Brexit are that they are both based on a pack of lies. You could argue that much of politics is lying - but Trump and the Brexit crew took it to an altogether different level. What amazes me in all this is that the people with most to lose from Trump and Brexit seem to be their biggest supporters. But maybe here in the UK the fishermen, the farmers, the car workers, those in hospitals with far fewer EU nurses and doctors, those small business owners facing mountainous red-tape just to send a widget to Germany, those who live next to the huge new lorry parks popping up around the country, those loyalists in Northern Ireland who now discover the road to a united Ireland is much clearer, etc, etc....maybe some of those will start to realise they've been sold out.

The US will be free of Trump (at least as President) in two weeks' time. Unfortunately in the UK we probably have decades of Brexit. But hopefully we will still have the democratic right to peacefully protest and maybe some time "overturn" the result of the 2016 referendum!

It's nice that you can speak for the motivations of all those (about a million?*) that marched but I have strong suspicions many were of the opinion insisting the public vote again was the last chance to keep us in the EU.

The problem with your perspective is you never look at this from the other side.

Imagine we have a democratic event - election/referendum where everyone expects normal democratic principles will apply (result gets enacted) your preferred outcome prevails, the campaigns on both sides are full of the usual politician's half-truths misrepresentations, scaremongering and even fibs. Supporters of the side that lost then-campaign we should have another vote because you Jim in the West/ plus numerous thumb chums didn't really understand the issues and didn't know what you were voting for ...

What would your response be? **


* https://fullfact.org/europe/peoples-vote-march-count/

** If it's not **** off you patronising w****** I'm afraid I won't believe you.

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

Can't speak for everyone but there are a number of reasons I post 'random' twitter accounts;

-Levity. Sometimes there's something funny that can ease the tension/highlight ridiculousness, etc. I like to share it.

-Sourcing. Anyone can come on here and say "people are saying..." (how trumpian!) By posting the tweet, it's saying 'this particular person is/these people are saying'. It allows people to judge the veracity, either just from the name or if they choose to put the effort in, they can look at the person's profile and look into how trustworthy they are.

-They're not very random, just someone you don't personally know/recognise. I follow a range of people who might be specialists in certain subjects without necessarily being famous. Within politics there are countless aides, assistants, speech writers, campaign staff who aren't recognisable but have insider access. There are so many blogs and specialist news sites populated by people who aren't necessarily known personalities, but are good sources of info in their arena. Or maybe they're not even specialists, maybe they are just people who are famous to particular fan bases. Rosie Holt appears in my timeline retweeted by a lot of more recognisable comedians (and because I follow her because I find her videos humorous). She is one of the people who have been building a decent fanbase in lockdown with these sorts of videos. Apparently TB didn't realise it, but she isn't that random. EDIT: Or maybe she did, and I misread her smilie response.

Fair enough.I see a lot of people on NSC linking to Twitter accounts without comment. They seem to be saying that they have found someone else who shares their view and that somehow validates them. I thought TB had mistakenly done just this but had been whooshed in her hastiness to share. In hindsight she isn’t that naive and probably wasn’t whooshed at all. Needless to say I don’t have Twitter.

 

[father_and_son]

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"You weren't invited!" - Joe

 

[Theatre of Trees]

Sure, sorry. Give me a mo whilst I ring round the 17,410,742 leave votes. I need to acknowledge all the reasons they cast their secret ballots. I’m sure they will think it’s any of my business. Give it a rest eh. Perhaps if you want to insult people who voted leave, by association with Trump you could do it on the Brexit thread.

 

[nwgull]

Both things can be true. The fact that more men commit suicide doesn't negate the fact that we live in a patriarchal society.

I agree that it’s easier to be white. However, I’d like to hear an example of where life is easier being a man in the U.K. specifically.

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

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Right...
So according to one opinion poll, nearly twice as many Leave voters explicitly backed Biden. Presumably 30 % weren’t that interested either way so only 1 in 4 told the opinion pollsters they backed Trump. Thanks

 

[KeithDublin]

I agree that it’s easier to be white. However, I’d like to hear an example of where life is easier being a man in the U.K. specifically.

I'll start with education, seeing that I studied it, and I taught for 10 years - In Primary schools the classroom is nearly always set up for boys (consciously and subconsciously) for example the space for boys to play is nearly always in the middle of the room and takes up a lot a of space, while the girls are pushed into the corners. Also there is a often a competitive nature in education that benefits the masculine. Putting up hands to ask questions for example. I won't bore you with studies but they always show the same thing, that boys get way more attention from teachers than girls.

It's easier for a man to walk around and not get raped or sexually assaulted.

There's a pay gap between men and women in the UK.

How many male MP's are there compared to women? CEO's of companies etc?