[Politics] Tory meltdown finally arrived [was: incoming]...

[Neville's Breakfast]

It's not his support but the confirmation that it was a party. It also places Raab there.

ie not supportive of Johnson at all. The claim that the incident was technically within the rules doesn’t even stack up. Presumably Simon Hoare needs to appear in front of the enquiry to repeat this interview with Sky News.

 

[Pevenseagull]

BBC news, 'perhaps this didn't go as well as the Prime Minister had hoped'

 

[Gwylan]

It's not his support but the confirmation that it was a party. It also places Raab there.

As I said, pig thick

 

[A1X]

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I wish I got a massive party every time I had done the job I was asked to do like Raab has somehow managed in this scenario.

 

[drew]

Several questions should have been asked.

Are there any more 'gatherings' that Johnson has attended that may fall into this category that he would like to declare now?

Did Sue Gray go to any of these 'gatherings'?

 

[Thunder Bolt]

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[JC Footy Genius]

I don’t think that Starmer wants Johnson out yet. It would give his successor a good run up to the next election, time to bring in tax cuts, and bribe the electorate again. Johnson has become a joke, and not in that we’re all laughing with, more like the one we’re all laughing at.

The Tories will want Johnson to remain in his position for another year, then resign due to long Covid or some such bollox.

The next election is 2 years away, at least.


Anyway, on to the more important stuff, is PMQs today, bring your own booze?

Looks like you were incorrect, Starmer went for the jugular putting in an unusually competent performance. Boris has been written off many times on NSC but this is the first time he is in real trouble. Intersting to see if he can confound political norms and his critics once more (I doubt it) .... logging on NSC after yet another Boris victory in a year or two would be deliciously entertaining though.

 

[Nobby Cybergoat]

Looks like you were incorrect, Starmer went for the jugular putting in an unusually competent performance. Boris has been written off many times on NSC but this is the first time he is in real trouble. Intersting to see if he can confound political norms and his critics once more (I doubt it) .... logging on NSC after yet another Boris victory in a year or two would be deliciously entertaining though.

It's not if now.

It's a case of when it's most expedient for them to plunge the knife and how much damage his limping on in the meantime will cause

 

[Pavilionaire]

There's now a lot of pressure on this Sue Gray and her enquiry, and I don't think that's entirely fair on her. Furthermore, we don't know the timescale of her enquiry.

The local elections are due to be held on 5th May 2022, so in just under 4 months' time. The last Tory leadership election took 2 months from start to finish from May resigning to Johnson being appointed.

In reality I expect we will see Sunak, Truss and Gove unofficially starting their leadership bid from today onwards. However, there are doubts about whether they have the 'common touch'. Sunak's father is a billionaire, Sunak attended Winchester College and Oxford so he is steeped in privilege. Gove briefly joined the Labour Party and campaigned as a 16-year old in the 1983 General Election before being whisked off to Oxford where he joined the Tories and never looked back.

Truss also went to Oxford where she was President of the Oxford University Liberal Democrats but saw the light and joined the Tories when she was 21. Even then, she was a staunch Remainer until she saw political opportunity in supporting Brexit.

These are 3 people who would sell their own soul for political and personal advancement. Contrast that with Starmer, whose parents were a toolmaker and a nurse, who went to the University of Leeds and has campaigned for Labour since he was a teenager.

 

[Chicken Run]

There's now a lot of pressure on this Sue Gray and her enquiry, and I don't think that's entirely fair on her. Furthermore, we don't know the timescale of her enquiry.

The local elections are due to be held on 5th May 2022, so in just under 4 months' time. The last Tory leadership election took 2 months from start to finish from May resigning to Johnson being appointed.

In reality I expect we will see Sunak, Truss and Gove unofficially starting their leadership bid from today onwards. However, there are doubts about whether they have the 'common touch'. Sunak's father is a billionaire, Sunak attended Winchester College and Oxford so he is steeped in privilege. Gove briefly joined the Labour Party and campaigned as a 16-year old in the 1983 General Election before being whisked off to Oxford where he joined the Tories and never looked back.

Truss also went to Oxford where she was President of the Oxford University Liberal Democrats but saw the light and joined the Tories when she was 21. Even then, she was a staunch Remainer until she saw political opportunity in supporting Brexit.

These are 3 people who would sell their own soul for political and personal advancement. Contrast that with Starmer, whose parents were a toolmaker and a nurse, who went to the University of Leeds and has campaigned for Labour since he was a teenager.

You forgot to mention that Sunak’s father in law is a billionaire too….


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[hans kraay fan club]

You forgot to mention that Sunak’s father in law is a billionaire too….

Only his father-in-law, actually.

Sunak's parents were a GP and a pharmacist.

 

[Chicken Run]

Only his father-in-law, actually.

Sunak's parents were a GP and a pharmacist.

I know, the clue was in the ……..[emoji106]


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[Neville's Breakfast]

There's now a lot of pressure on this Sue Gray and her enquiry, and I don't think that's entirely fair on her. Furthermore, we don't know the timescale of her enquiry.

The local elections are due to be held on 5th May 2022, so in just under 4 months' time. The last Tory leadership election took 2 months from start to finish from May resigning to Johnson being appointed.

In reality I expect we will see Sunak, Truss and Gove unofficially starting their leadership bid from today onwards. However, there are doubts about whether they have the 'common touch'. Sunak's father is a billionaire, Sunak attended Winchester College and Oxford so he is steeped in privilege. Gove briefly joined the Labour Party and campaigned as a 16-year old in the 1983 General Election before being whisked off to Oxford where he joined the Tories and never looked back.

Truss also went to Oxford where she was President of the Oxford University Liberal Democrats but saw the light and joined the Tories when she was 21. Even then, she was a staunch Remainer until she saw political opportunity in supporting Brexit.

These are 3 people who would sell their own soul for political and personal advancement. Contrast that with Starmer, whose parents were a toolmaker and a nurse, who went to the University of Leeds and has campaigned for Labour since he was a teenager.

Liz Truss went to state school in Leeds and got into Oxford on merit. Her father was a lecturer at Leeds Uni and her mother a nurse and teacher. Both were/are on the left of the Labour Party. It is incorrect to claim that all Tories are born into privilege.

 

[Pavilionaire]

Only his father-in-law, actually.

Sunak's parents were a GP and a pharmacist.

Fair enough, but I wonder what a first attracted him to his wife with the billionaire dad?

The problem for the Tories is that Boris has surrounded himself with acolytes who are privileged, Oxbridge and would murder their granny for advancement. Such a leader doesn't appear to be chime with the mood music of the moment.

 

[Chicken Run]

Tory meltdown incoming...

Liz Truss went to state school in Leeds and got into Oxford on merit. Her father was a lecturer at Leeds Uni and her mother a nurse and teacher. Both were/are on the left of the Labour Party. It is incorrect to claim that all Tories are born into privilege.

It’s also easy for posters to copy and paste bulshit FB/Twitter content too which for the avoidance of doubt I think Pav did [emoji6]


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[lawros left foot]

Looks like you were incorrect, Starmer went for the jugular putting in an unusually competent performance. Boris has been written off many times on NSC but this is the first time he is in real trouble. Intersting to see if he can confound political norms and his critics once more (I doubt it) .... logging on NSC after yet another Boris victory in a year or two would be deliciously entertaining though.

Starmer realises that whatever he says, in reality it means nothing. Calling for Johnson’s resignation is the least that should be expected in these circumstances because he can’t force Johnson to go. It may even unite a certain amount of Tories behind him.
I had an interesting discussion with 2 Tory party members after PMQs, they don’t think he has done much wrong, their view is all politicians lie, so Johnson should remain PM. I did say that is nonsense, but they were adamant that most Torys would see it that way.

 

[Chicken Run]

Looks like you were incorrect, Starmer went for the jugular putting in an unusually competent performance. Boris has been written off many times on NSC but this is the first time he is in real trouble. Intersting to see if he can confound political norms and his critics once more (I doubt it) .... logging on NSC after yet another Boris victory in a year or two would be deliciously entertaining though.

You are joking aren’t you, we’d have to put up with another 4 years of McNob whining on [emoji23]


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[BBassic]

Starmer realises that whatever he says, in reality it means nothing. Calling for Johnson’s resignation is the least that should be expected in these circumstances because he can’t force Johnson to go. It may even unite a certain amount of Tories behind him.
I had an interesting discussion with 2 Tory party members after PMQs, they don’t think he has done much wrong, their view is all politicians lie, so Johnson should remain PM. I did say that is nonsense, but they were adamant that most Torys would see it that way.

Wouldn't be hard to believe "Just imagine how bad it would have been under Corbyn" is being uttered in households and offices up and down the country today.

 

[hans kraay fan club]

Fair enough, but I wonder what a first attracted him to his wife with the billionaire dad?

The problem for the Tories is that Boris has surrounded himself with acolytes who are privileged, Oxbridge and would murder their granny for advancement. Such a leader doesn't appear to be chime with the mood music of the moment.

Don't get me wrong - I'm not for a minute suggesting that Sunak was NOT privileged. He was Head Boy at Winchester College, FFS.

 

[Chicken Run]

Wouldn't be hard to believe "Just imagine how bad it would have been under Corbyn" is being uttered in households and offices up and down the country today.

I’ve heard at least 20 separate people say that in the last couple of days.


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