Publius Ovidius
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Down a mine in South Wales with Rees mogg and Abbott.
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[Politics] The General Election Thread
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Down a mine in South Wales with Rees mogg and Abbott.
No politics on the running thread. That's the LAW
Besides, a good debate should never get in the way of a friendship. My regular poker group includes a couple of Tories and an Extinction Rebellion member, We all get along fine.
However, my dislike of Corbyn has not much to do with scruffiness, nor will I enjoy Boris for one second. In fact, that's my point. Labour's uselessness has handed the keys of number 10 to a pontificating prevaricator, of whom Ken Clarke said "he couldn't run a whelk stall". I'm angry with Labour. I'm not particularly against them. Nemeth has certainly shown his true colours in this campaign. It seems the Eco Warrior act only lasts as long as he wants to sell organic honey to prosecco soaked mummies.
I'm tetchy and knocky as lingering man flu and breathing probs has stopped me running and I've got to go to Croydon IKEA this morning. Ignore me for a few days.
- Jul 10, 2003
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But, in order for Corbyn to 'ruin the country' he would need to get a majority, and surely only the most extreme (from both wings) are claiming, or believing that might happen.
In order for Johnson 'to ruin the country' he would need to get a majority, something which is likely at the moment.
For this reason I would be a bit more concerned about the latter than the former and if I have read his post correctly, think KG may well have a point.
beorhthelm
A. Virgo, Football Genius
- Jul 21, 2003
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must be a very cramped mine, quite a few normally vocal politicians have been hidden this campaign.
Where is it increasingly looking like that? The MRP poll that came out last night, with a sample size of around 100,000 had the majority down from 68 a week or so ago to 28.
ManOfSussex
We wunt be druv
On top of antisemitism and comments about people with learning difficulties, the Conservative candidate for Hastings & Rye is now being investigated for Islamophobia - https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...te-islamophobia-disabled-people-a9241666.html
Surely Esther McVague is the nickname of choice?
- Jul 10, 2003
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You think there is a risk of Corbyn getting a majority ?
Not sure it's been a vintage morning for the PM...
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Kalimantan Gull
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Corbyn cannot ruin (or dramatically improve) this country, because he cannot win an overall majority. Johnson can ruin (or dramatically improve) this country, because he can clearly get an overall majority.
If you subscribe to a 'plague on both their houses' point of view (as does the poster I was replying to), the hung parliament outcome should be infinitely preferable.
Fair enough - I interpreted your post as Corbyn wouldn't ruin the country if he had a majority, and it's my opinion that a lot of people (wrongly) believe he will.
Kalimantan Gull
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I think that kind of thing tends to help Conservative candidates get elected
That's called remaining........................
- Jul 10, 2003
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You know he could run a minority government or even a coalition yes ?
Kalimantan Gull
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Don't be daft. These threads are supposed to be for intelligent debate, not soundbites.
If I was offered a version of leave where we stayed tightly aligned on standards to enable frictionless trade and be able to negotiate international trade deals as a block with the EU, had freedom of movement for Irish and UK citizens and goods across the NI border, could control the ability of non UK citizens to work and live in the UK, could impose higher taxation on tech companies and other large conglomerates within the UK, could impose greater restrictions on fish catches in UK waters to better control overfishing, would develop our own better version of the CAP to ensure sustainable farming, then I could support that.
It's probably just another unicorn version of leave, we'd have to see the details.
Kalimantan Gull
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And would be able to do what exactly that would 'ruin' the country? If you believe that renationalisation would be a disaster, that wouldn't happen. If you think that tax rises on high earners would be bad, it wouldn't happen or be toned down. Trident won't be scrapped, we'll keep our international commitments.
What they will be able to do is increase funding into NHS and education, make proper commitments for affordable housing and social care, reverse other austerity policies, and yes, negotiate a softer brexit and put it back to the people. Obviously that last one is a sticking point for some people. But he wouldn't be able to impose his so - called 'socialist Marxist manifesto' on us.
Not least because the likes of Kyle, and there are many similar in the Labour Party, wouldn't let him, nor would the libdems, nor would the NI parties. Indeed there is more likely to be a Johnson led hung parliament than a Corbyn one. Johnson may not get support for his brexit deal from the DUP or any rebels that get elected like Grieve or Gauke, but those people are going to vote with the Conservatives on everything else.
I'm 95% sure we could do all that under EFTA, but I'm likely wrong as it's not my strong point.