[Politics] The General Election Thread

[Weststander]

Brazil I believe - page 11 of document here here and you'll probably find the whole document helpful if you are genuinely interested.

India is also looking at doing something unilaterally, see here and has also been leading the push for this to become a global system. As well as going alone what Labour has done is pledge to work with countries seeking to make such changes rather than seek to block on the justification of (false) self-interest.

I’ll admit that I wouldn’t want a Corbyn/McDonnell overall majority. As someone who believes in mixed/capitalist economics, I do believe in justice and fairness, including in taxation, and have done so long before it became trendy. Often overlooked, tax swerving multinationals gain a huge competitive advantage over competitors paying their full whack of UK corporation tax on profits. Helping Amazon and Starbucks, as two obvious examples, over high street competitors. I’d love something serious done to tackle this cheating.

 

[Bold Seagull]

When did I say I objected to taxpayers money going into private shareholders pockets?

Let me know when you have the evidence that a nationalised system would be a guaranteed better, more efficient use of taxpayers money and not just an ideological nationalise anything that moves policy/election bribe.

You mean like a extending the higher rate of tax threshold benefitting 8% of the population but costing £8bn when all parties seem to be agreeing that we need to spend some money after 10 years of austerity. Tories – we'll cut taxes AND spend more.

 

[JC Footy Genius]

So you do want tax payers money to go towards private profits?

As I said before it depends on the alternative options. Are you against taxpayers money going towards private profits in all circumstances?

 

[highflyer]

I’ll admit that I wouldn’t want a Corbyn/McDonnell overall majority. As someone who believes in mixed/capitalist economics, I do believe in justice and fairness, including in taxation, and have done so long before it became trendy. Often overlooked, tax swerving multinationals gain a huge competitive advantage over competitors paying their full whack of UK corporation tax on profits. Helping Amazon and Starbucks, as two obvious examples, over high street competitors. I’d love something serious done to tackle this cheating.

Well, we're mainly on the same page. Except I'd quite like to see a Corbyn/McDonnell majority, if only to see the faces of a few people I know! But it looks like you'll probably be OK on that (I still don't think anything is as certain as a lot of people assume, but about the only thing I am certain about is that the SNP will clean up in Scotland and that makes any form of Labour majority nigh-on impossible).

 

[Weststander]

Well, we're mainly on the same page. Except I'd quite like to see a Corbyn/McDonnell majority, if only to see the faces of a few people I know! But it looks like you'll probably be OK on that (I still don't think anything is as certain as a lot of people assume, but about the only thing I am certain about is that the SNP will clean up in Scotland and that makes any form of Labour majority nigh-on impossible).

I know exactly what you mean. I used to work with some arrogant, very anti the small people types, incredibly selfish and greedy, treated staff like dirt. Surprisingly, the head was a Hove LibDem, he’d never voted Tory!

 

[Guinness Boy]

(I still don't think anything is as certain as a lot of people assume, but about the only thing I am certain about is that the SNP will clean up in Scotland and that makes any form of Labour majority nigh-on impossible).

Spot on analysis. The rise of the SNP has really scuppered Labour and it may take independence for there to be a Lab oveall majority in the remainder of the UK. I think this election is probably between a fairly large Johnson (fnarr fnarr) majority and a hung parliament led by Corbyn but propped up by the SNP and "others". In that situation I don't buy for a minute that the Lib Dems would side with a Tory party lurching to the right and a hard Brexit, whatever Swinson says now, and at least an unofficial or tacit arrangement would prevail until what would likely be a second referendum occurs.

 

[Two Professors]

You are proposing to do what with BT Openreach?

 

[theonlymikey]

As I said before it depends on the alternative options. Are you against taxpayers money going towards private profits in all circumstances?

[/INDENT]

If it's a profitable sector and they have the ability to maintain their own network, then yes, I wholly disagree.

In this scenario therefore, on broadband, do you agree the government should subsidise private profits?

 

[Weststander]

Spot on analysis. The rise of the SNP has really scuppered Labour and it may take independence for there to be a Lab oveall majority in the remainder of the UK. I think this election is probably between a fairly large Johnson (fnarr fnarr) majority and a hung parliament led by Corbyn but propped up by the SNP and "others". In that situation I don't buy for a minute that the Lib Dems would side with a Tory party lurching to the right and a hard Brexit, whatever Swinson says now, and at least an unofficial or tacit arrangement would prevail until what would likely be a second referendum occurs.

Agree with all that.

I also don’t think that the LibDems would form a government with the Tories this time around. Other than the obvious Brexit difference, they felt a bit burnt by getting the blame by some people for unpopular policies in 2010 to 2015. Plus I don’t know if you’ll remember, but there’s an aspect to our unwritten constitution whereby the opposition have the first bite at forming a government when the Commons is left hung at a GE. This arose where Brown hung on to power for a few days after the 2010 GE .... many Labour folk such as Lance Price felt that unseemly, as did senior LibDems (other than Paddy Ashdown).

 

[BLOCK F]

Is that a bad thing though? I don't want just one person coming up with an entire policy agenda. Obviously there needs to be some leadership but that includes listening to people and taking on ideas. As you know, i'm broadly a supporter of the vision and policy platform of Labour, but that is based in part on a level of trust in those that I know are involved in developing the agenda and policy ideas (and the process). Not all of them, but a lot of them.

The people that Johnson has brought in around him scare the sh*t out of me.

People like Seumas Milne and Andrew Murray do the same to me!
I could name a few more too.

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

Labour really are the gift that keeps on giving.

Johnson is going walk it because he’s the least shit.

 

[Giraffe]

Current odds:

Conservative majority 4/7
Labour minority 9/2
Conservative minority 7/1
Lab/Lib/SNP Coalition 14/1
Conservative/Brexit coalition 16/1
Labour/SNP coalition 18/1
Lab/Lib coalition 25/1
Labour majority 25/1
Conservative/Lib coalition 33/1
Lib/SNP coalition 80/1

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

Reap what you sow it's as straight forward as that all those smug faces won't be so smug on 13th December ,it's really something to look forward to
Regards
DF

 

[melias shoes]

Reap what you sow it's as straight forward as that all those smug faces won't be so smug on 13th December ,it's really something to look forward to
Regards
DF

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www....-as-lead-over-labour-widens-a4288146.html?amp

 

[Lower West Stander]

We already pay for Broadband. If I saved £360 on BB charges, quite happy to pay £360 extra in tax to be honest. In fact I'd be better off because I have paid the £360 after tax, so £360 deducted would actually be cheaper.

If only it would actually work like that......


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[Lower West Stander]

The evidence so far is they've failed. The UK is hugely behind many other countries in its superfast BB delivery, and is also one of the most expensive. Why are you happy to stand behind the current model we have when it's failing the country?

Because a nationalised BT in the hands of civil servants would be infinitely worse. Run by people who won’t have a clue and answerable to a Marxist chancellor. It’s a silly promise which will never happen anyway, there’ll be so many court challenges and amendments it’ll be stuck in legislation for years.

I’m also very interested to see how they would deal with BT’s pension deficit which is legacy of its nationalised past.

I find it so depressing that there are people on here who think this will actually happen and believe MCDonnell’s headline grabbing garbage.


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[BensGrandad]

I find it so depressing that there are people on here who think this will actually happen and believe MCDonnell’s headline grabbing garbage.


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Would that be the gullible 18 - 30 age group who think the grass is greener having not seen or experienced it in the past.

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

So Farage and Tice pull out of Brexit party talk at the last minute.

Why are they not going to the police of half of what they say is true?

 

[beorhthelm]

So Farage and Tice pull out of Brexit party talk at the last minute.

Why are they not going to the police of half of what they say is true?

i dont understand this story. i wouldnt put it past the Conservative leadership, but why would they when BP have stood down half their candidates themselves??

 

[BLOCK F]

I’m looking forward to Corbyn becoming PM, all these nice goodies that he’s offering are truly scrumptious.

I was going to go on a rant about the latest proposed raid on British industry, but can't be arsed at this time on a Friday night.
Suffice to say, I really do think that Corbyn and McDonnell have lost the plot.
Goodnight Bold Seagull and One Mikey............enjoy your sweet dreams, which hopefully will not be coming true, courtesy of the British public not sharing your confidence in the Corbyn/McDonnell double act to lead us all towards their socialist utopia.