The BNP

[jmsc]

I vote for the BNP. I am not dumb or racist. What ever racist means?

Yes my friend, you are racist by definition!

If you judge someone not by their *ahem* "Englishness/Britishness"
but by the colour of their skin, you are a racist!

Their is one huge irony for me though, and that is the amount of 2nd/3rd
generation of immigrants who support the NF/BNP in order to keep England
"pure" - not even the NF/BNP could make that up

 

[Chicken Runner61]

[andybaha - do your own research, explore both or every side of the argument and make YOUR OWN mind up based on what you discover. You'll feel allot better about yourself and will doubt increase your knowledge on the subject.

I'm glad I started this because it's good to have a healthy debate and thankfully no-one has been particularly abusive.

But I've been and done a bit of research and indeed it would appear that the 'facts' my mate sent me are a load of bollocks.

Less than 6% of the population in Holland is Muslim so it's not likely that 50% of all kids born are Muslim. In France they don't ask about religion on their census so it's difficult to say exactly how many Muslims there are in France but around 5% seems to be a fair estimate. So again seems unlikely that a big chunk of the country exceeds 50%.

I've had a look at the BNP website and aside from it being racist it is embarrasingly naive. I hope I'm not now on some govt hitlist as a BNP sympathiser.

I do however believe that the govt need to clamp down on immigration both legal and illegal. This has nothing to do with race, it is just to stop the UK being seen as a soft touch and to protect the interests of all hard working British citizens regardless of their ethnicity.[/QUOTE]



You don't need to stop immigration or start repatriation to protect the interests of hard working citizens. you need immigration people to do their jobs properly.

In fact it could be said that the BNP are to blame for a loose immigration policy as their ridiculous racist views stop many people from insisting on tighter controls for fear of being called racist like the BNP.

The irony being that the BNP want to change the laws and policies that created the wonderful place they live in to the laws and policies of the countries that made the people from those countries want to leave there and come here!!!

There isn't a country in the world that doesn't / didn't / won't have immigration issues and its only natural for people to want to live in a country that would hopefullygive them a better life. What we need to do is insist firmly that everyone respects the laws that created our Britishness.

 

[bhaexpress]

Apart from their policies it's hard to take the BNP seriously as so much of their rhetoric is a pack of lies.

 

[coventrygull]

10 years old or not these are all quotes by the leader of the party you support.
Come on Cov, vote Tory, vote UKIP,just don't vote for that bigot and everything he stands for, cos believe me, if they ever did get into power we wouldn't be having this conversation for a start cos as the son of an immigrant I would have been 'encouraged' to return to where I came from (which is actually Brighton so thats not so bad). But you know what I mean. And all those white working class men who voted them in would find themselves back where they were 100 years ago as nothing but cannon fodder.

Apologies Frank but your going to get a bit of a History Lesson.

Nick Griffin was out in the political wilderness when he started to make overtures to the BNP. To a lot of hardline nationalists he was a political pariah. He was seen as disruptive because of his involvement in the destruction of the old NF and his falling out with people in the ITP.

He started getting involved with BNP branches in London and set up the hardline RUNE magazine. He later got convicted for incitement to racial hatred. Now John Tyndal hated Griffin. He didn't trust him but pressure was put on him to allow him to Join. Griffin sucked up to Tyndal for a while. Even becoming involved in Spearhead (see Spearhead online for Tyndals later comments on Griffin).

Griffin challenged Tyndal for the leadership. The Boneheads thought they were getting a hardliner. As part of the Edwards faction. I knew we were getting someone that would change the BNP into a modern nationalist party.

The shock for me came when the Edwards were expelled after they were upset over Griffin's Finances. This was when I left the BNP. I thought here we go again. To my surprise the BNP slowly went form strength to strength. Griffin has seen off many attempts to unseat him as leader.He even got a way with expelling Tyndal. The BNP has remained strong despite these attempts. Which is quite remarkable.

Griffin is very different from any nationalist leader because he plays the political game. Most hardline Nationalist dislike this. They prefer sticking to principles regardless. He has also alienated them by calling them Nutzis.

So putting those quotes in context. He used them to gain entry and favour within the BNP.

 

[coventrygull]

Yes my friend, you are racist by definition!

If you judge someone not by their *ahem* "Englishness/Britishness"
but by the colour of their skin, you are a racist!

Their is one huge irony for me though, and that is the amount of 2nd/3rd
generation of immigrants who support the NF/BNP in order to keep England
"pure" - not even the NF/BNP could make that up

I am sorry but you have obviously not read any of my comments regarding the BNP and race. I do not judge people by the colour of their skin.

Yes it is true that there is some support for the BNP amongst 2nd and 3rd generations of immigrants. Nick had a secret meeting in Coventry with a radical Sikh organisation.

It should also remembered that racism is not exclusive to white Britons. Ethnic communities came be just as racist. If the left would admit this then I may change my mind but they don't

 

[The Large One]

I am sorry but you have obviously not read any of my comments regarding the BNP and race. I do not judge people by the colour of their skin.

Yes it is true that there is some support for the BNP amongst 2nd and 3rd generations of immigrants. Nick had a secret meeting in Coventry with a radical Sikh organisation.

It should also remembered that racism is not exclusive to white Britons. Ethnic communities came be just as racist. If the left would admit this then I may change my mind but they don't

For me, 'the left' finds racism from black people - in fact, in form of extremism from any ethnic background - abhorrent.

I think the phrase you need to conisder is 'black racist apologists', people who the vast majority would have no time for. That's very different from a person with political considerations that encompass socialist principles.

 

[coventrygull]

For me, 'the left' finds racism from black people - in fact, in form of extremism from any ethnic background - abhorrent.

I think the phrase you need to conisder is 'black racist apologists', people who the vast majority would have no time for. That's very different from a person with political considerations that encompass socialist principles.

I am sure indidvidual socialist do but their organisations are strangely quite about it. They are also rather mute on the homophobia and sexism within these communities. I wonder how much support they would get if they took these subjects head on to those communities.

I have attended left wing meetings where the wonderful comrades said that ethnic communities could not be racist because they were oppressed.

 

[itszamora]

This blokes a nice nazi.

On the morning of 25 February the Conservative Party announced the tragic news that Ivan Cameron, the six-year-old son of Conservative Party leader David Cameron and his wife Samantha, who suffered from cerebral palsy and epilepsy, had died. In a rare show of unity figures from across the political spectrum united to send their condolences and best wishes to the heartbroken family.
Not so the British National Party. True, the BNP website carried a brief statement from Nick Griffin expressing his sympathy in an attempt to portray himself as a statesman and the BNP as a “normal” political party.
This ruse failed to disguise the fact that the Camerons had not even had the chance to bury their “beautiful boy” before certain BNP members were displaying their true colours.
In a cruel and warped outburst against those who had expressed their condolences at the death of Ivan Cameron, Jeff Marshall (pictured), the central London BNP organiser, who lives in Whitechapel, wrote: “We live in a country today which is unhealthily dominated by an excess of sentimentality towards the weak and unproductive. No good will come of it.”
Not content with attacking those mourning the death of a severely disabled child who brought “joy and love to those around him”, Marshall continued in his sick tirade, stating that although it would be “a kindness” to kill children with disabilities, this was not the same as advocating such a measure as compulsory state policy. “But so what if it is,” he asked. “At least we would all know where we stand. There is actually not a great deal of point in keeping these sort of people alive, after all.”
Marshall’s disturbing and repellent views recall those of Tony Lecomber, who was, until 2008, one of Griffin’s right-hand men. Lecomber proposed a racist eugenics programme, echoing that of the Nazi murderer Dr Josef Mengele, which advocated a “racially purer” Britain through the sterilisation of the poor, the sick and the disabled. Lecomber believed, and presumably still does, that the rich are “genetically superior” to ordinary people and that poor people should not be allowed to have their own children.

These are the people you support if you vote BNP.

Good god, and they say they're not Nazis! How can anyone vote for these scum?

 

[blue and white army]

People call us Nazi's were not Nazi's were nationalists.

 

[El Presidente]

I am a supporter of the BNP. Reason being i am worried about white british people becoming a minority in britain. Which i believe is in danger of happening. I am not a racist before all you lot start calling me a racist pig etc. Just want to keep britain british.

But surely you are a racist from the fact that you talk about WHITE British people, presumably because you think that black or Asian Brits are not proper Brits, even if they were born here.

 

[El Presidente]

It should also remembered that racism is not exclusive to white Britons. Ethnic communities came be just as racist. If the left would admit this then I may change my mind but they don't

I suspect you would say I am from the left and I agree 100% with what you say that some (not all) within racial groups being racist themselves.

 

[coventrygull]

Good god, and they say they're not Nazis! How can anyone vote for these scum?

Hang on a minute. This is a comment made by an Individual member of the BNP. It is not the policy of the BNP. I used to go leafleting with a man who had a severley disabled child. Personaly I think it was a vile comment to make an the man should of been expelled.

One should not forget that women are offered abortions if they have a severely disabled child but that is a whole different thread.

 

[coventrygull]

People call us Nazi's were not Nazi's were nationalists.

Nationalism is a broad church. You could hardly call National Anarchists nazi's.

Its like saying all lefties are Stalinists

 

[The Large One]

I am sure indidvidual socialist do but their organisations are strangely quite about it. They are also rather mute on the homophobia and sexism within these communities. I wonder how much support they would get if they took these subjects head on to those communities.

I have attended left wing meetings where the wonderful comrades said that ethnic communities could not be racist because they were oppressed.

'Organisations' and 'communities' are representative phrases which tar everyone with the same broad brush.

Who are 'they'? Which organisations and communities do you refer to?

If, for the sake of argument, you refer to the likes of, say, the SWP talking to, say, a black community in north London about racism and homophobia, I would snort in derision back because, one the SWP is a bit of an odd organisation where people only talk down to you in statements or slogans, and two, neither the SWP nor any given 'black community' represent a broad church in a way that the likes of the BNP is trying to do.

If any organisation claims to not believe that black people can't be oppressive against white people, they are talking shit. That's nothing to do with socialism, and everything to do with blinkered bigotry.

 

[coventrygull]

I suspect you would say I am from the left and I agree 100% with what you say that some (not all) within racial groups being racist themselves.

Thank you EL. I just wish people could be aware of this. Its not only Black on white hatred but Black on Asian etc etc.

 

[twickers]

You can't beat a bit of positioning to sway public opininion...

BNP hides its skinheads to woo voters - Times Online

 

[twickers]

Also, how timely given he discussion in this thread:

Bent Society: The Origin of Curmudgeonly Criminology - is feared by the bad and loved by the good!: Racism

 

[coventrygull]

'Organisations' and 'communities' are representative phrases which tar everyone with the same broad brush.

Who are 'they'? Which organisations and communities do you refer to?

If, for the sake of argument, you refer to the likes of, say, the SWP talking to, say, a black community in north London about racism and homophobia, I would snort in derision back because, one the SWP is a bit of an odd organisation where people only talk down to you in statements or slogans, and two, neither the SWP nor any given 'black community' represent a broad church in a way that the likes of the BNP is trying to do.

If any organisation claims to not believe that black people can't be oppressive against white people, they are talking shit. That's nothing to do with socialism, and everything to do with blinkered bigotry.

Yes but no left organisation addresses the issue. Whether thats the SWP, Socialist party or any other brand of socialism they spout.

 

[algie]

Yes but no left organisation addresses the issue. Whether thats the SWP, Socialist party or any other brand of socialism they spout.

I hope you raise and educate your siblings on your political beliefs when the time is right.They have to follow their fathers footsteps in life.
I've converted my girlfriend of 10 years

 

[Don Quixote]

Nazi's are people who are part of the Nazi party which is actually a democratic socialist party isn't it. Actually that's what the labour party is called too...