Thatcher T-Shirts Sold in Brighton...

[timbha]

Under Thatcher I learnt that it was my responsibility to:
get a good education and as many qualifications as i could
get a job, work hard and stay there until I could find something better
provide for my family
buy what I could afford to buy (and not buy everything I wanted)
pay my debts
pay my taxes
manage my finances
save
get on the property ladder as soon as i could
and.......be proud of where I come from and where I live

good lessons that have stuck with me.

 

[martyn20]

It was right in principle but the Bel Grano incident was just not right.

I don't think they had any choice, the sinking was a Naval decision, that ship could have changed course in seconds and with the sand banks the subs could not have followed her, she, and her escorts, would have trapped a section of our fleet and could have sunk several ships. She may have been sailing away from Islands but she was not going him or surrendering she was active in a battle zone.

 

[Albumen]

You think only the South East voted for her party? You really think that's true?

Maybe there should be a vote as to whether she was good for the country or not - oh hang on, there was. The people around the country voted for her to get into government, and then they voted again for her to stay there, and then they did it again. So clearly the majority of people think she did a good job for the country.

Shame that all those people, who seem to be about 85% of the country, couldn't mobilise enough to stop her getting in a 2nd time (Con: 389 seats, Lab: 209 seats).

Or a 3rd, come to that (Con: 376 seats, Lab: 229 seats).

The fact is, nomatter how much the rabid frothing-mouthed loony lefts like to pretend otherwise, Thatcher and her Conservative government were far from universally unpopular. I can understand it suits your Jackanory version of the 80s to say she was, but you are very, very wrong.

Yes I understand there are voters North of Watford who voted blue, and the the fact she was in power more than once. Im just saying it won't be just the 'loony left' celebrating her last breath.

 

[Bozza]

I find all this " dancing on her grave " incredible sick...It is just f***ed up imo.

Me also. And, let's be clear, although my politics are probably right of centre I'm no staunch Tory man or Thatcher fan.

I genuinely fear for this site when the inevitable does happen to Thatcher. It's clear that some of the frothing-mouthed crew from the left, many of whom are bizarrely hypocritical under scrutiny, will not be able to resist indulging in pretty bad taste stuff. It might be better to just shut the site down for a few days - not out of respect - but to stop NSC being host to their hate and bile. Or I could just ban the fuckers for life.

 

[Uncle Spielberg]

Me also. And, let's be clear, although my politics are probably right of centre I'm no staunch Tory man or Thatcher fan.

I genuinely fear for this site when the inevitable does happen to Thatcher. It's clear that some of the frothing-mouthed crew from the left, many of whom are bizarrely hypocritical under scrutiny, will not be able to resist indulging in pretty bad taste stuff. It might be better to just shut the site down for a few days - not out of respect - but to stop NSC being host to their hate and bile. Or I could just ban the fuckers for life.

That is your call mate but I find this thing of celebrating someone's death very very distasteful.

 

[Castello]

Thing is, she has already enabled us to dance on the grave of the whole trade union movement! Even "New" Labour have distanced themselves from the scum.

I only hope one of the "scum" knows you think that of them when you need health care from a trade union member. And I do hope you dont need a scumbag member of the FBU if your house is burning down. I suspect you may not reveal quite what you think of them when you need them.

 

[martyn20]

Yes I understand there are voters North of Watford who voted blue, and the the fact she was in power more than once. Im just saying it won't be just the 'loony left' celebrating her last breath.

Anyone planning to celebrate her death is a pretty worthless individual.

 

[Not Andy Naylor]

Thatcher was lucky that she had North Sea oil revenues and the proceeds of selling off nationalised industries. She used them to finance unemployment benefits and the tax cuts with which she bribed the electorate. Otherwise her government's economic sums wouldn't have added up.

 

[martyn20]

I only hope one of the "scum" knows you think that of them when you need health care from a trade union member. And I do hope you dont need a scumbag member of the FBU if your house is burning down. I suspect you may not reveal quite what you think of them when you need them.

I was a Thatcher 'Right Wing' Tory in the 80's and 90's but for many years I was also a Union Rep, it's very possible to be both, sadly many unions and their bosses feel they have to take it too far.

 

[martyn20]

Thatcher was lucky that she had North Sea oil revenues and the proceeds of selling off nationalised industries. She used them to finance unemployment benefits and the tax cuts with which she bribed the electorate. Otherwise her government's economic sums wouldn't have added up.

Wow, now that is supreme bollocks, very well done for that mate.

 

[Hove Seagull]

And do you think anyone else would have stood up to the Argies like her govt did?

Wasn't it her government, specifically Nicholas Ridley, who, a couple of years earlier, were trying to do a deal over shared sovreignty of the falklands, with Argentina.
Another view on it could be that she seized the opportunity to boost her failing popularity at home.
I'm not saying that we shouldn't have defended the Falklands, of course we should have. But so would any government of the day.

 

[Not Andy Naylor]

Under Thatcher I learnt that it was my responsibility to:
get a good education and as many qualifications as i could
get a job, work hard and stay there until I could find something better
provide for my family
buy what I could afford to buy (and not buy everything I wanted)
pay my debts
pay my taxes
manage my finances
save
get on the property ladder as soon as i could
and.......be proud of where I come from and where I live

good lessons that have stuck with me.

And under a Labour government you wouldn't have learnt that?

 

[Don Quixote]

And do you think anyone else would have stood up to the Argies like her govt did?

Yes, since not getting them back would have been political suicide.

 

[clapham_gull]

And do you think anyone else would have stood up to the Argies like her govt did?

Yes probably if in power, but that's hardly the point. If she and Government had listened to the military in the first place the war would never have taken place. As it happens they bailed her out for her mistake whilst she took the credit afterwards.

However the most important point is this. Her Government where desperately trying to offload the place before hand. Quite happy to deal with the loonies in charge of Argentina at the time.

 

[Uncle Spielberg]

Anyone planning to celebrate her death is a pretty worthless individual.

This.

 

[martyn20]

Wasn't it her government, specifically Nicholas Ridley, who, a couple of years earlier, were trying to do a deal over shared sovreignty of the falklands, with Argentina.
Another view on it could be that she seized the opportunity to boost her failing popularity at home.
I'm not saying that we shouldn't have defended the Falklands, of course we should have. But so would any government of the day.

You think Michael Foot would have assembled a task force and sent it knowing the odds of a victory were low.

 

[Not Andy Naylor]

Wow, now that is supreme bollocks, very well done for that mate.

Good to hear your reasoned rebuttal. I think I'll listen to Clive Tyldesley commentating on England instead.

 

[abc]

I only hope one of the "scum" knows you think that of them when you need health care from a trade union member. And I do hope you dont need a scumbag member of the FBU if your house is burning down. I suspect you may not reveal quite what you think of them when you need them.

The ultimate tribute to Thatcher is that the TUC and all the unions are now irrelevant.

 

[marshy68]

Did I read correctly that the TUC are advocating a general strike ?

If that is the case I may well leave my union which I only stay in as an insurance premium in effect in case anything goes tits up. I also understand the level headed TUC voted for unanimous Railway Re-nationalisation - bloody idiots.

To be fair to Blair one thing he realised very early on was that they were no longer really the cut and thrust of labour anymore and ditched them at the right time.

yes unfortunately you did - was listening to some moron on radio 5 live didnt get his name ( leader of the RMT) calling for a national strke - these people are so far out of touch with whats going on and what the country needs its staggering and before i get deluge of abuse i have only ever voted labour ( although havent voted since Iraq war).

and while i am here people actually advocating hanging Margaret Thatcher... people really need to read and think about what they actually post.

 

[DJ Leon]

Shame that all those people, who seem to be about 85% of the country, couldn't mobilise enough to stop her getting in a 2nd time (Con: 389 seats, Lab: 209 seats).

Or a 3rd, come to that (Con: 376 seats, Lab: 229 seats).

The fact is, nomatter how much the rabid frothing-mouthed loony lefts like to pretend otherwise, Thatcher and her Conservative government were far from universally unpopular. I can understand it suits your Jackanory version of the 80s to say she was, but you are very, very wrong.

Hmmm, don't those results say more about the electoral system than the popularity of Thatcher? Sure she was popular in the South Of England, but the rest of the UK universally hated her. Take a look at the electoral map in those elections, they bear this out.