Super David Cameron's Key Note Speech Today

[hans kraay fan club]

Calm down, Lee.

 

[Southover Street Seagull]

how did they do that ??

By destroying the manufacturing base we had in this country and turning us into a serviced based economy. Also setting up the YTS, letting firms take youths on the cheap and then getting rid of them without a guarantee of a job at the end of the two year period.

 

[Buzzer]

don't mean no harm. I'm just a posh Tory boy baiting the oiks

 

[Southover Street Seagull]

don't mean no harm. I'm just a posh Tory boy baiting the oiks

Why is someone so Posh living in Hanover and the Market Diner areas of Brighton?!!!

 

[warsaw]

The Tories have lost all of the Ministers I used to have respect for (Whitelaw, Howe, Heseltine), when I VOTED FOR THEM.

What do they have now on their front bench? A bunch of arrogant rich-boy toffs. Am I to believe that they give a hoot for your average hard-working family? Well I don't.

The polls are going to get closer as the Toffs get rumbled, and Labour may well get in again, by default. Be very afraid US!

 

[Buzzer]

Why is someone so Posh living in Hanover and the Market Diner areas of Brighton?!!!

Slumming it darling. The white trash upbringing is all a sham

 

[Southover Street Seagull]

Slumming it darling. The white trash upbringing is all a sham

Pater will not be happy with you consuming "Gut Busters"!

 

[Buzzer]

The Tories have lost all of the Ministers I used to have respect for (Whitelaw, Howe, Heseltine), when I VOTED FOR THEM.

What do they have now on their front bench? A bunch of arrogant rich-boy toffs. Am I to believe that they give a hoot for your average hard-working family? Well I don't.

The polls are going to get closer as the Toffs get rumbled, and Labour may well get in again, by default. Be very afraid US!

Agree completely. Gone are the days when we had ordinary politicians like Howe (Winchester and Cambridge), Heseltine (Shrewsbury and Oxford) and Howe(Winchester and Cambridge) who really understood what it was like to be an average working family.

Now we have people like David Davis (one-parent family on a council estate) or Eric Pickles (grammar school boy from Leeds) or Sayeeda Warsi (born to Pakistani immigrants). Completely out of touch. Fortunately we have some down to earth souls in Labour. Let's not forget Tony Blair (Fettes and Oxford), Hilary Benn (Holland Park, son of a peer),, Harriet Harman (granddaughter of an earl went to St Pauls) or Ed Balls (Nottingham independent High school and Oxford).

We could play this game all day.


Coupled with the fact that Heseltine has said on more than one occasion that Cameron is carrying on the tradition of liberal Conservatism that he, Howe and Whitelaw espoused. Cameron has even been accused by people such as Tebbit of not even being a Conservative. I disagree with this completely and see Cameron as the great white hope of One-Nation Conservatism that the likes of Iain Macleod (God bless the greatest Prime Minister we NEVER had) fought so hard to keep.

So to say what you have done is not only wrong IMO but just plain nasty. Mind you this thread seems to be full of people who hate the Tories because their leader is a bit posh but didn't have a problem with the current New Labour Government we have now.

And that is why I was being so darn sarcastic.

 

[larus]

By destroying the manufacturing base we had in this country and turning us into a serviced based economy. Also setting up the YTS, letting firms take youths on the cheap and then getting rid of them without a guarantee of a job at the end of the two year period.

We're still the 6th largest manufacturing country in the world.

The Unions f***ed so much of the manufacturing in the country due to the constant strikes on the '70's. That's when the manufacturing was hit.

Also, it's not down to jobs in manufacturing, it's down to output. We need to be efficient by our use of technology, as we can't throw cheap labour at it, as per China, India etc.

But, hey-ho, don't let economic reality affect your prejudice.

Also, Labour's been in power for 10 years, and what have they actively done to encourage manufacturing? Please enlighten me, as I genuinely cannot think of anything.

 

[Westdene Seagull]

Agree completely. Gone are the days when we had ordinary politicians like Howe (Winchester and Cambridge), Heseltine (Shrewsbury and Oxford) and Howe(Winchester and Cambridge) who really understood what it was like to be an average working family.

Now we have people like David Davis (one-parent family on a council estate) or Eric Pickles (grammar school boy from Leeds) or Sayeeda Warsi (born to Pakistani immigrants). Completely out of touch. Fortunately we have some down to earth souls in Labour. Let's not forget Tony Blair (Fettes and Oxford), Hilary Benn (Holland Park, son of a peer),, Harriet Harman (granddaughter of an earl went to St Pauls) or Ed Balls (Nottingham independent High school and Oxford).

We could play this game all day.


Coupled with the fact that Heseltine has said on more than one occasion that Cameron is carrying on the tradition of liberal Conservatism that he, Howe and Whitelaw espoused. Cameron has even been accused by people such as Tebbit of not even being a Conservative. I disagree with this completely and see Cameron as the great white hope of One-Nation Conservatism that the likes of Iain Macleod (God bless the greatest Prime Minister we NEVER had) fought so hard to keep.

So to say what you have done is not only wrong IMO but just plain nasty. Mind you this thread seems to be full of people who hate the Tories because their leader is a bit posh but didn't have a problem with the current New Labour Government we have now.

And that is why I was being so darn sarcastic.

Fantastic post Buzzer

And lest we forget - this Labour Government ( the party of the down trodden and normal person ) removed the 10p tax rate - how caring and sharing of them

 

[vitusvivi]

The other day Cameron said: "I'm getting on with the job" haha WTF!! I wonder who he got that from...

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Obviously, we know who 2 and 8 are. Is 4 Oliver Letwin? Who are the rest?

Why did the tory party 'lean' on the owner of this photo to remove it from circulation? I mean, it isnt embarrassing in the slightest is it

 

[Southover Street Seagull]

We're still the 6th largest manufacturing country in the world.

The Unions f***ed so much of the manufacturing in the country due to the constant strikes on the '70's. That's when the manufacturing was hit.

Also, it's not down to jobs in manufacturing, it's down to output. We need to be efficient by our use of technology, as we can't throw cheap labour at it, as per China, India etc.

But, hey-ho, don't let economic reality affect your prejudice.

Also, Labour's been in power for 10 years, and what have they actively done to encourage manufacturing? Please enlighten me, as I genuinely cannot think of anything.

My statement wasn't about proving Labour have encouraged the increase in manufacturing in this country over the last ten years, it was a reply to why the Tories had ruined apprenticeships in this country.

I agree with you, Labour hasn't done much to increase manufacturing to the scale that it was in the 70's.

That's it blame the unions for all our manufacturing woes in the 70's, people on here go on about the typical left wing quips against the Tories, well you have used the typical right wing quip about the unions. Have you thought for one minute it may have been down to very poor management and not constant strikes by the unions? What about Margaret Thatcher's role in all of this, she didn't give manufacturing much help in the 80's did she? You would have thought that if the unions had damaged manufacturing so much in the 70's she would have been only too pleased to help the industry out when she got in power.

What is not down to manufacturing but is down to output? Why are you comparing us with the Chinese and Indians who have masses of cheap labour. Why not compare us to France and Germany who have similar labour costs to the UK but have much bigger manufacturing industries.

Have you got the table that shows us that we are in sixth place, it would be interesting to see who is above us.

 

[Beach Hut]

Dear oh dear, we don't make things etc

Perhaps we should go back and mine coal en mass again.

Face facts the red flag is coming down

 

[larus]

No sorry I don't. It was something I read within the last month on the FT web site.

Actually, I can sympathise with some of your points, but MT didn't want to subsidise industries that couldn't compete. However, I sometimes feel as though too many British politicians want to play fair, where a lot of the competition are protectionist.

What I meant was that in guaging the size of the manufacturing base, you need to take into account the output from manufacturing, not the numbers employed. For example, I work in IT, and I have carried out several projects for customers which involve automation (the current buzz-word is 'lean'). These projects have resulted in direct/in-direct job losses due to efficiency. For example, bar-coding transactions at source, rather than someone writing information on a sheet of paper, and then an office clerk keying in the following day. There are many reasons for doing this, but this type of improvement in the past was often met with resistance from Unions. Hence we couldn't compete with other countries, so we lost out in terms of competitiveness.

I agree totally on the inadequacies of British management a lot of the time. How often do you see someone promoted to management because they are good at their job, but have no idea about managing.

 

[Southover Street Seagull]

No sorry I don't. It was something I read within the last month on the FT web site.

Actually, I can sympathise with some of your points, but MT didn't want to subsidise industries that couldn't compete. However, I sometimes feel as though too many British politicians want to play fair, where a lot of the competition are protectionist.

What I meant was that in guaging the size of the manufacturing base, you need to take into account the output from manufacturing, not the numbers employed. For example, I work in IT, and I have carried out several projects for customers which involve automation (the current buzz-word is 'lean'). These projects have resulted in direct/in-direct job losses due to efficiency. For example, bar-coding transactions at source, rather than someone writing information on a sheet of paper, and then an office clerk keying in the following day. There are many reasons for doing this, but this type of improvement in the past was often met with resistance from Unions. Hence we couldn't compete with other countries, so we lost out in terms of competitiveness.

I agree totally on the inadequacies of British management a lot of the time. How often do you see someone promoted to management because they are good at their job, but have no idea about managing.

Blimey and I agree with a lot of points in your post!

I still think MT could have subsidised the industries whilst re-training the employees to do other work, rather than encourage the wholesale closure of factories, mines and shipyards, thus stopping the huge unemployment problem of the 80's. In other words rather than spend money on dole handouts in unemployment black spots you could have spent the money on retraining and subsidising industry, making the environment that the people who got laid off a far better place to live in.

I am in a trade union and mine has not opposed digital assistants (bar code readers) being introduced in my industry.

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

you work in tesco

 

[Southover Street Seagull]

you work in tesco

Nope, try again.

 

[Southover Street Seagull]

Dear oh dear, we don't make things etc

Perhaps we should go back and mine coal en mass again.

Face facts the red flag is coming down

Yes perhaps we should mine coal again, it would be a solution to our energy problems if we could burn it more cleanly.

The red flag was never up, it is a whitey pink colour, not a true socialist red like it ought to be.

 

[Stumpy Tim]

What an UTTER binfest. Cracking reading.

Vote GREEN