Got something to say or just want fewer pesky ads? Join us... 😊
[Politics] Russia invades Ukraine (24/02/2022)
- Thread starter vegster
- Start date
- Aug 24, 2020
- 6,534
There was an attack on a train of ammunition from North Korea on the Trans-Siberian railway near Yekaterinburg.
I'll post the link later if it's still up.
I'll post the link later if it's still up.
Ooh please...how did they do that,?
Good old Turkey. I'm guessing that was built at the Istanbul naval dockyard, and will be launched into the Black Sea...with some sort of protection for it's initial movements
. Thoughts?
- Aug 24, 2020
- 6,534
Here it is
Partisans claim sabotage of Russian railway transporting North Korean ammo
In a post on Telegram, the ATESH group said the operation was carried out on the Trans-Siberian railway east of the Ural Mountains.
kyivindependent.com
- Aug 24, 2020
- 6,534
That makes sense. It's quite a statement from Turkey, who I've been critical of in the past, for playing both sides. Maybe they were waiting to see who was going to win. Now they've seen the way the winds blowing, and are seeing an opportunity for Turkey to increase its influence and divert attention away from its economic problems.Good old Turkey. I'm guessing that was built at the Istanbul naval dockyard, and will be launched into the Black Sea...with some sort of protection for it's initial movements
I'm pretty sure there's still plenty of Russian tourist cash (and Russians) flowing into Turkey though.
Partisans, makes sense in that locationHere it is
Partisans claim sabotage of Russian railway transporting North Korean ammo
In a post on Telegram, the ATESH group said the operation was carried out on the Trans-Siberian railway east of the Ural Mountains.
. I wonder if they could possibly blow up one of the container trains...that would take longer to repair.Yes.
But I wouldn't be shocked if Turkey is doing something involving oil, gas, machinery, parts etc that benefits Russia somehow.
- Aug 24, 2020
- 6,534
I thought they had attacked a train - sorry. I remember seeing a short video of derailed carriages from a Russian channel, but obviously not in that link.Partisans, makes sense in that location
Well, they need both tracks and trains to move the shells (or planes I guess?) so either or both is good
Military: Another Russian Su-25 downed in Donetsk Oblast
Ukrainian forces have shot down yet another Russian Su-25 fighter jet in the embattled Donetsk Oblast, the Khortytsia group of forces reported on July 7.
kyivindependent.com
Sirnormangall
Well-known member
- Sep 21, 2017
- 3,101
That’s an interesting post - not just the railway sabotage but all the other covert sabotage activity that’s been going on too.Here it is
Partisans claim sabotage of Russian railway transporting North Korean ammo
In a post on Telegram, the ATESH group said the operation was carried out on the Trans-Siberian railway east of the Ural Mountains.
Here's a regular update from the UK Government - statement to the OSCE. This focuses on the methods Russia has employed to severely control Ukrainian citizens in the occupied areas. It's worth reading (to remind ourselves...) and the paragraph near the end details the torture and murder of two Ukrainian teenagers a year ago in Berdiansk - heartbreaking.
"
Thank you, Chair. Good morning, colleagues.
The Russian Federation is doing everything in its power to eradicate Ukrainian identity in areas under its temporary control. Violence, economic coercion, and the replacement of local populations all form part of this systematic effort of repression.
Since the start of its illegal full-scale invasion of Ukraine, Russia has rapidly expanded its passportisation enforcement mechanisms from Crimea to the rest of the territories it temporarily controls. Civilians, particularly those without a Russian passport, are subjected to threats, intimidation, targeted surveillance, invasive searches, and an increased likelihood of being detained.
In spring 2023, a Russian law was published which stipulates that anyone in the temporarily Russian-controlled territories who does not possess a Russian passport is considered a “foreign citizen”. This has increased the likelihood of detentions and deportations, and in turn violations of international humanitarian law.
Russia’s policies are designed to force people in the temporarily controlled territories to accept Russian citizenship in order to access basic means of living, including property ownership and access to healthcare, education, and pensions. For many, obtaining a Russian passport is the only way to survive.
Moreover, Ukrainian men who have taken up Russian passports are at risk of being drafted into the Russian army and forced to fight against the very army that is trying to free them.
Mr Chair, Ukraine’s younger generation is a major target in Russia’s attempts to erase Ukrainian identity. Ukrainian children who are born in these Russian-held territories automatically receive Russian citizenship. It’s estimated that nearly 20,000 Ukrainian children have been forcibly deported or transferred into Russia or Russian-held territories, where without permission from their parents or legal guardians they can be given passports and be adopted as and by Russian citizens.
At our last meeting, Russia asked where the evidence was of these deportations. I suggest that they read the independent OSCE Moscow Mechanism report on the forced deportation of Ukrainian children. It concludes that Russia’s actions constitute violations of international humanitarian law, international human rights law and, in some cases, grave breaches of the Geneva Convention and war crimes. These findings underscore the severity of the issue and the need for continued attention and action. These children will not be forgotten. And Russia will be held to account.
Two children I wish to remember today are Tihran Ohannisian and Mykyta Khanhanov, who both were killed by the illegitimate Russian authorities in Berdiansk just over one year ago. In the lead up to their deaths, Tihran and Mykyta had been persecuted for being openly pro-Ukrainian. Russian authorities forcibly took the teenagers from their homes, detaining and interrogating them for several days. Tihran was severely tortured, including being beaten and electrocuted. Their families were left unaware of their conditions or whereabouts. The killing of these two teenagers has been described by Ukraine’s Ombudsman, Dmytro Lubinets, as an “extrajudicial execution”. We call on the Russian authorities to return their bodies to relatives to ensure a proper burial.
The international community is watching, and one day justice will be delivered for these terrible atrocities. In the meantime, the United Kingdom will continue to call out the Russian Federation’s attempts to erase Ukrainian identity. And we will continue to support the brave people of Ukraine as they stand up for all our freedoms. I thank you, Chair.
Published 5 July 2024
"
Thank you, Chair. Good morning, colleagues.
The Russian Federation is doing everything in its power to eradicate Ukrainian identity in areas under its temporary control. Violence, economic coercion, and the replacement of local populations all form part of this systematic effort of repression.
Since the start of its illegal full-scale invasion of Ukraine, Russia has rapidly expanded its passportisation enforcement mechanisms from Crimea to the rest of the territories it temporarily controls. Civilians, particularly those without a Russian passport, are subjected to threats, intimidation, targeted surveillance, invasive searches, and an increased likelihood of being detained.
In spring 2023, a Russian law was published which stipulates that anyone in the temporarily Russian-controlled territories who does not possess a Russian passport is considered a “foreign citizen”. This has increased the likelihood of detentions and deportations, and in turn violations of international humanitarian law.
Russia’s policies are designed to force people in the temporarily controlled territories to accept Russian citizenship in order to access basic means of living, including property ownership and access to healthcare, education, and pensions. For many, obtaining a Russian passport is the only way to survive.
Moreover, Ukrainian men who have taken up Russian passports are at risk of being drafted into the Russian army and forced to fight against the very army that is trying to free them.
Mr Chair, Ukraine’s younger generation is a major target in Russia’s attempts to erase Ukrainian identity. Ukrainian children who are born in these Russian-held territories automatically receive Russian citizenship. It’s estimated that nearly 20,000 Ukrainian children have been forcibly deported or transferred into Russia or Russian-held territories, where without permission from their parents or legal guardians they can be given passports and be adopted as and by Russian citizens.
At our last meeting, Russia asked where the evidence was of these deportations. I suggest that they read the independent OSCE Moscow Mechanism report on the forced deportation of Ukrainian children. It concludes that Russia’s actions constitute violations of international humanitarian law, international human rights law and, in some cases, grave breaches of the Geneva Convention and war crimes. These findings underscore the severity of the issue and the need for continued attention and action. These children will not be forgotten. And Russia will be held to account.
Two children I wish to remember today are Tihran Ohannisian and Mykyta Khanhanov, who both were killed by the illegitimate Russian authorities in Berdiansk just over one year ago. In the lead up to their deaths, Tihran and Mykyta had been persecuted for being openly pro-Ukrainian. Russian authorities forcibly took the teenagers from their homes, detaining and interrogating them for several days. Tihran was severely tortured, including being beaten and electrocuted. Their families were left unaware of their conditions or whereabouts. The killing of these two teenagers has been described by Ukraine’s Ombudsman, Dmytro Lubinets, as an “extrajudicial execution”. We call on the Russian authorities to return their bodies to relatives to ensure a proper burial.
The international community is watching, and one day justice will be delivered for these terrible atrocities. In the meantime, the United Kingdom will continue to call out the Russian Federation’s attempts to erase Ukrainian identity. And we will continue to support the brave people of Ukraine as they stand up for all our freedoms. I thank you, Chair.
Published 5 July 2024
- Aug 24, 2020
- 6,534
0p
HM Government seem to be under no illusion about the malevolence of the Russian regime. It is obvious that a ceasefire and a frozen conflict are no good to Ukraine, the west, Britain or anybody else. The defence secretary has already visited Kyiv and detailed a new package of weaponry and ammo for Ukraine, and the Business Secretary has stated the government will be coming for the pro-Putin sympathisers in the Reform party.
That was a tough read.
HM Government seem to be under no illusion about the malevolence of the Russian regime. It is obvious that a ceasefire and a frozen conflict are no good to Ukraine, the west, Britain or anybody else. The defence secretary has already visited Kyiv and detailed a new package of weaponry and ammo for Ukraine, and the Business Secretary has stated the government will be coming for the pro-Putin sympathisers in the Reform party.
Flounce
Well-known member
- Nov 15, 2006
- 3,435
It beggars belief to me that anyone in the UK can be pro Putin
- Aug 24, 2020
- 6,534
Watch the video of the Business Secretary on the Nigel Farage thread. He's not messing around.
Agreed...why don't they just f*CK off and live in mother Russia, join their fight! (Yes, we all know why...)
Yes, exactly. I get the feed of HM Govt OSCE texts regularly. They are always strongly worded and extremely critical of Russia. I know it's 'only words ' but we do back it up somewhat with military supplies and sanctions.
fly high
Well-known member
Ukraine war live: Kyiv children's hospital hit as Russian daytime strikes on Ukraine kill dozens
Two people have been killed at the Okhmatdyt Children's Hospital after an intense Russian barrage, officials say.
www.bbc.co.uk
Russia finds a new low. Even Putin lovers must see this a nothing but despicable.