[Politics] Russia invades Ukraine (24/02/2022)

[Blue Valkyrie]

Latest theoretical plot ( intelligence report ) is that Russia are going for toppling the Ukrainian government in Kiev, installing a puppet regime and partitioning the country into East and West ( see Germany ).

Possibly acceptable to outside observers ( Pitin's gambit ? )

Not sure it'll be too popular with the locals.


West Ukraine ( Gallicia ? ) would have to be admitted to NATO in that case ?

 

[Blatter]

Latest theoretical plot ( intelligence report ) is that Russia are going for toppling the Ukrainian government in Kiev, installing a puppet regime and partitioning the country into East and West ( see Germany ).

Possibly acceptable to outside observers ( Pitin's gambit ? )

Not sure it'll be too popular with the locals.


West Ukraine ( Gallicia ? ) would have to be admitted to NATO in that case ?

Interesting theory. The Dnieper River would appear to be the ideal border if that's the case.

Why leave the west of Ukraine when it would seem obvious Putin could take it all? - Border difficult to manage? - It would appease NATO?

What has east Ukraine got that he wants?

 

[essbee1]

The three ways that will cause an end to Putins madness are, unprecedented protests in Russia, the toughest sanctions ever in world history and,Ukrainian armed forces digging in and causing severe degradation of Russian Tanks and Helicopters and planes.

This. The Vietnam war was a classic example where picking off US soldiers day in day out, month in month out and year
in, year out led to an impossible situation for the US govt.

 

[TomandJerry]

Ukraine’s deputy minister of defence, Hanna Malyar, said the Russian military seized two cars of the Ukrainian armed forces before changing into the uniform of the Ukrainian military and then driving to the centre of Kyiv from Obolon.

Ukrainian lieutenant general Valerii Zaluzhniy appeared to confirm reports in a statement on the website of Ukraine’s armed forces.

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[Pretty pink fairy]

What a sick ****ing attitude.

Really


Regards
DF

 

[BadFish]

I am less than half way through this but it is quite interesting.

https://youtu.be/JrMiSQAGOS4

 

[heathgate]

Yep.

44 million citizens. if just 5 million pick up arms thats 5 million citizens plus the army.

It was always obvious Russia would have the upper hand at the start, I hope the citizens fight hand to hand and pick them off 1 at a time

However, it has been reported this morning that the Russians haven't succeeded with any of its Day 1 objectives .... it may be a temporary blip for them, but Russian casualties are > 500 so far, probably not a story most of us expected.

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[heathgate]

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/over-150-russian-officials-condemn-ukraine-invasion

over 1700 arrested also protesting in Russia. I pray this is the beginning of the end of this disgusting individual

Every demagogue, especially this type of unhinged fascist, will eventually make a mistake... this 'adventure' of his feels like this could be Putin's mistake... he will fall.

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[Wrong-Direction]

Starmer saying sanctions could go further, so what's Boris playing at?

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[Hugo Rune]

Starmer saying sanctions could go further, so what's Boris playing at?

He’s not keen to bite the hand that feeds him!

 

[heathgate]

In what way is it fair? What did these children do?

Enjoyed the comfort and privilege that the well laundered ill gotten gains can buy... at the expense of many in their own country who don't enjoy such advantages.

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[Farehamseagull]

Starmer saying sanctions could go further, so what's Boris playing at?

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He’s “willing Ukraine on” apparently

 

[nicko31]

Interesting, transparency International: estimates £15 billion UK property owned by Kremlin associates. We are currently a magnet for dirty money all over.

Something needs to change, but with our certain predicament will it change?

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

Starmer saying sanctions could go further, so what's Boris playing at?

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Regards
DF

 

[nicko31]

Latest theoretical plot ( intelligence report ) is that Russia are going for toppling the Ukrainian government in Kiev, installing a puppet regime and partitioning the country into East and West ( see Germany ).

Possibly acceptable to outside observers ( Pitin's gambit ? )

Not sure it'll be too popular with the locals.


West Ukraine ( Gallicia ? ) would have to be admitted to NATO in that case ?

The Russians will win the war, but from my experience of Ukrainians they are very tough people

He won't win the peace and it will be a thorn in Putins side for a long time to come

 

[pastafarian]

Its a sad sight this. I've spent years reading about propaganda, manipulation of the mind, how wars happen and now its all in front of me: it is so so easy to make people fear and hate strangers... and it has barely started.

LOL

A self-confessed conspiracy theorist claiming to be well versed on propaganda and mind manipulation

snigger…………….

chortle ……….

 

[heathgate]

I’m sure Putin has sold this as a cake walk. If Russian bodies start piling up then he might find he’s not quite as infallible as he believes.

Despite the comical scenes promoted by the media, showing housewives training with wooden cutout AK47's .... Ukraine has some very decent units at their disposal. Not obviously big numbers compared to the Russians, but given a sprinkling of western special forces helping with planning and strategy... the Russian units will be taking on a bit more than they bargained for.

I have heard, from a reliable military contact, that UK, US, Australian, Czech and Hungarian advisors have been helping out on the ground, whether they stay as this invasion unfolds, who knows.

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[heathgate]

Interesting, transparency International: estimates £15 billion UK property owned by Kremlin associates. We are currently a magnet for dirty money all over.

Something needs to change, but with our certain predicament will it change?

It's going to be difficult for them to take those buildings with them once they and their businesses are expelled and shutdown...

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[Baker lite]

No women ? Doesn’t sound very equal rights?

Evacuation of women and children, leaving the men of fighting age to defend against an aggressor?
This will never do.

 

[dazzer6666]

Starmer saying sanctions could go further, so what's Boris playing at?

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SWIFT for starters to essentially cut them out of worldwide money transmission, but that’s not down to Boris (alone) by a very long way.