[Politics] Russia invades Ukraine (24/02/2022)

[Bry Nylon]

Every child of any oligarch/Russian apparatchik in ANY Western educational institution - expel. Extremely harsh but satisfyingly fair.

I entirely understand and empathise with the sentiment but I’m conflicted. These kids are the future and integrating in the west and building friendships and being able to see the story as presented on western media feels like a better solution long term. I struggle with the concept of punishing kids for the actions of adults. Of course, fully accept this approach would most likely bite me on the arse but I can’t help but feel the best chance for future peace is keeping young people together rather than splitting them up.

Yes, I’m off to knit some fair trade sandals from organic yoghurt now.

 

[Silverhatch]

In what way is it fair? What did these children do?

Nothing. Like tens/hundreds of thousands of ordinary Russian and Ukrainian kids who are going to suffer the consequences of the actions of the Putin-led Russian state. Levelling up.

 

[portlock seagull]

It will be a long, long haul for the Russians if the SAS are in there. They'll take a huge number of those c****s out before
they've finished.

If sources are to be believed, nearly 500 soldiers on both sides killed today. In a single day. By todays standards that’s unheard of. An appalling loss of military personnel. In Europe too.

 

[Bry Nylon]

If sources are to be believed, nearly 500 soldiers on both sides killed today. In a single day. By todays standards that’s unheard of. An appalling loss of military personnel. In Europe too.

I’m sure Putin has sold this as a cake walk. If Russian bodies start piling up then he might find he’s not quite as infallible as he believes.

 

[vegster]

'More than 1,700 arrested in anti-war Russia protests' - BBC website.

Brave people. Rise up!

Putin has demonised the Russian people in the eyes of the world, and the Russian people don't like it.

I genuinely feel for ordinary Russians. They have no virtually no way of voicing their views other than through trying to fight through rigged elections or through protest that leads to beatings or imprisonment.

 

[Silverhatch]

I entirely understand and empathise with the sentiment but I’m conflicted. These kids are the future and integrating in the west and building friendships and being able to see the story as presented on western media feels like a better solution long term. I struggle with the concept of punishing kids for the actions of adults. Of course, fully accept this approach would most likely bite me on the arse but I can’t help but feel the best chance for future peace is keeping young people together rather than splitting them up.

Yes, I’m off to knit some fair trade sandals from organic yoghurt now.

Nope. The fire needs to be lit under the Neo Russian establishment. HOT wars produce DEAD people and collateral casualties. Their children need to feel the heat the same as the children hunkering down in Kyiv.

 

[atomised]

Sounds like a rough night ahead for Kyiv. The thought of so much loss of life in the first day is awful

 

[portlock seagull]

I entirely understand and empathise with the sentiment but I’m conflicted. These kids are the future and integrating in the west and building friendships and being able to see the story as presented on western media feels like a better solution long term. I struggle with the concept of punishing kids for the actions of adults. Of course, fully accept this approach would most likely bite me on the arse but I can’t help but feel the best chance for future peace is keeping young people together rather than splitting them up.

Yes, I’m off to knit some fair trade sandals from organic yoghurt now.

Nah, their kids are already in a bubble so removed from normality it would probably serve them well to have it pricked. Curriculum they’re being privately taught likely includes GCSE Genocide, A Level Lying and Sociopathy Studies for the world they’re being prepared for. Uday Hussein was such a cherub remember?

 

[Eric the meek]

I genuinely feel for ordinary Russians. They have no virtually no way of voicing their views other than through trying to fight through rigged elections or through protest that leads to beatings or imprisonment.

Virtually all Russians alive today (those born since the Russian revolution in 1917), have been born, lived their whole lives, and have died, and have never known freedom.

Never known free elections. Never known democracy. In over 100 years.

All they've ever known is a succession of despots, who happened to be better at seeing off their rivals than those around them.

 

[Bry Nylon]

Curriculum they’re being privately taught likely includes GCSE Genocide, A Level Lying and Sociopathy Studies

Sounds like Uckfield comp. And I turned out ok? (Can’t speak for [MENTION=1320]Notters[/MENTION] though…)

 

[The Fits]

I was always accused of doing an A Level in idiocy. If only I’d opted for lying instead.

 

[Swansman]

Nothing. Like tens/hundreds of thousands of ordinary Russian and Ukrainian kids who are going to suffer the consequences of the actions of the Putin-led Russian state. Levelling up.

Now this is exactly the shit I've been pointing at.

The whole "innocent people from one side gets hurt so its completely fair if innocent people from the other side gets hurt."

Russian oligarchy-kids getting expelled is not a problem but the attitude is.

We're about one day into this conflict and already people are cheering on when random innocent people of the suddenly subhuman Russian nationality gets into trouble. Similar attitude to how Japanese internment camps and the nukes over Hiroshima and Nagasaki were justified, "well some of ours died so who gives a shit about them.. innocent or not".

Where does this fairness start or end? In WWII four million Indians starved to death because the UK government took their food as food reserves to the people in the UK, would you find it "satisfyingly fair" if four million English people starved to death?

Or is it perhaps the case that we have rapidly escalating dehumanisation process going on here? Today some people cheer for Russian oligarchy kids getting expelled from schools because kids in Ukraine will have it rough. What does it look like in three months? Will it be satisfyingly fair when some Russian school bus is blown into pieces because the same thing might have happened in Ukraine?

War brings out the worst in people. Its a such a rapid transition from "I dont trust the Russian government" to the end station "144 million Russians are subhuman scum".

Personally I despise this. When it comes to Russia, a couple of 100k Russians are making things complicated. The other 143 millions or so has done **** all to deserve anyones spite.

 

[portlock seagull]

I’m sure Putin has sold this as a cake walk. If Russian bodies start piling up then he might find he’s not quite as infallible as he believes.

Let’s really hope for, a coup from within seems the dream ticket however remote it might seem. Might someone just shoot the ******* dead and it’ll all be over? Is the next in line as fanatical and dangerous? Putin seems like a dinosaur belonging to a former era, ex KGB and too late to rewire. Has sat smouldering and plotting, biding his time for one last roar nor caring who suffers or he takes down. His nuclear Arsenal and sociopath traits make this an enormously dangerous moment in history. What if his burning hatred of the west and crazy disposition leads him to order a nuclear attack? He’s alluded as much today already if anyone interferes. Remember, by the end of WW2 Hitler believed the German people deserved their destruction for essentially failing him. It’s impossible for sound minded people like all of us on here to understand mentality of human beings like Putin. We’re the same species, but it basically stops there. Who is this mad man? Does anyone really know, including his cronies many of whom looked scared of him 2 days ago during that bizarre propaganda pitch?

 

[Swansman]

Nope. The fire needs to be lit under the Neo Russian establishment. HOT wars produce DEAD people and collateral casualties. Their children need to feel the heat the same as the children hunkering down in Kyiv.

What a sick ****ing attitude.

 

[portlock seagull]

Sounds like Uckfield comp. And I turned out ok? (Can’t speak for [MENTION=1320]Notters[/MENTION] though…)

 

[birthofanorange]

Now this is exactly the shit I've been pointing at.

The whole "innocent people from one side gets hurt so its completely fair if innocent people from the other side gets hurt."

Russian oligarchy-kids getting expelled is not a problem but the attitude is.

We're about one day into this conflict and already people are cheering on when random innocent people of the suddenly subhuman Russian nationality gets into trouble. Similar attitude to how Japanese internment camps and the nukes over Hiroshima and Nagasaki were justified, "well some of ours died so who gives a shit about them.. innocent or not".

Where does this fairness start or end? In WWII four million Indians starved to death because the UK government took their food as food reserves to the people in the UK, would you find it "satisfyingly fair" if four million English people starved to death?

Or is it perhaps the case that we have rapidly escalating dehumanisation process going on here? Today some people cheer for Russian oligarchy kids getting expelled from schools because kids in Ukraine will have it rough. What does it look like in three months? Will it be satisfyingly fair when some Russian school bus is blown into pieces because the same thing might have happened in Ukraine?

War brings out the worst in people. Its a such a rapid transition from "I dont trust the Russian government" to the end station "144 million Russians are subhuman scum".

Personally I despise this. When it comes to Russia, a couple of 100k Russians are making things complicated. The other 143 millions or so has done **** all to deserve anyones spite.

Apart from the usual nonsense you spout, you do strike me as someone who would roll over and tickle Putin's belly, if he supplied you with unlimited pizzas (with toppings of choice) and a large bag of Sensi, every week.

 

[Flex Your Head]

Now this is exactly the shit I've been pointing at.

The whole "innocent people from one side gets hurt so its completely fair if innocent people from the other side gets hurt."

Russian oligarchy-kids getting expelled is not a problem but the attitude is.

We're about one day into this conflict and already people are cheering on when random innocent people of the suddenly subhuman Russian nationality gets into trouble. Similar attitude to how Japanese internment camps and the nukes over Hiroshima and Nagasaki were justified, "well some of ours died so who gives a shit about them.. innocent or not".

Where does this fairness start or end? In WWII four million Indians starved to death because the UK government took their food as food reserves to the people in the UK, would you find it "satisfyingly fair" if four million English people starved to death?

Or is it perhaps the case that we have rapidly escalating dehumanisation process going on here? Today some people cheer for Russian oligarchy kids getting expelled from schools because kids in Ukraine will have it rough. What does it look like in three months? Will it be satisfyingly fair when some Russian school bus is blown into pieces because the same thing might have happened in Ukraine?

War brings out the worst in people. Its a such a rapid transition from "I dont trust the Russian government" to the end station "144 million Russians are subhuman scum".

Personally I despise this. When it comes to Russia, a couple of 100k Russians are making things complicated. The other 143 millions or so has done **** all to deserve anyones spite.

I don't think anyone has said anything about 'hating Russians' or whatever you're on about. Far from it in fact, I think everyone is hoping the Russian public realise that Vlad's lost the plot and are willing them to rise up and see him turfed out.

Stop trying so hard to be the 'free-thinking' edgelord who's got the smarts on everyone because you don't 'believe the media' and get your news elsewhere. It's tiresome enough in teenagers. .

 

[jcdenton08]

Now this is exactly the shit I've been pointing at.

The whole "innocent people from one side gets hurt so its completely fair if innocent people from the other side gets hurt."

Russian oligarchy-kids getting expelled is not a problem but the attitude is.

We're about one day into this conflict and already people are cheering on when random innocent people of the suddenly subhuman Russian nationality gets into trouble. Similar attitude to how Japanese internment camps and the nukes over Hiroshima and Nagasaki were justified, "well some of ours died so who gives a shit about them.. innocent or not".

Where does this fairness start or end? In WWII four million Indians starved to death because the UK government took their food as food reserves to the people in the UK, would you find it "satisfyingly fair" if four million English people starved to death?

Or is it perhaps the case that we have rapidly escalating dehumanisation process going on here? Today some people cheer for Russian oligarchy kids getting expelled from schools because kids in Ukraine will have it rough. What does it look like in three months? Will it be satisfyingly fair when some Russian school bus is blown into pieces because the same thing might have happened in Ukraine?

War brings out the worst in people. Its a such a rapid transition from "I dont trust the Russian government" to the end station "144 million Russians are subhuman scum".

Personally I despise this. When it comes to Russia, a couple of 100k Russians are making things complicated. The other 143 millions or so has done **** all to deserve anyones spite.

You really do spout some awful bollocks, you know that?

Mate, you're not that smart. You think you are, but you really aren't. Some of the things you come out with are incredibly bizarre and show signs of some very confused thinking.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Indeed.

I am probably guilty of wishful thinking - wanting to find a valid reason to explain his actions of invading a peaceful neighbour, completely unprovoked.

I find the reality hard to come to terms with - that he is pure evil. Cold and calculating. No empathy. No fear. No understanding of, or not bothered about the consequences.

In other words, a gold plated. . . . Russian secret service operator with his eye on the main chance, who grasped his way to the top by quietly stabbing the unsuspecting in the face in a dark corner when nobody was looking. Psychopath. Judgement may well be on the way out due to age, abuse of steroids, viagra and coke, and more than 20 years of being in a situation where, provided any challenge is dealt with by sending a minion off to kill, he is untouchable.

They love a Strong Man in Russia. Probably a reaction to how weak the czars became, staring balefully into their soup as all around them crashed to the ground....

But what do I know?

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

You really do spout some awful bollocks, you know that?

Mate, you're not that smart. You think you are, but you really aren't. Some of the things you come out with are incredibly bizarre and show signs of some very confused thinking.

I like him, but....the pizza boxes? It's fine to be a spectator and not engage, not start a family (or sponsor one if you don't want to breed), not sign up to anything, not commit....trust no-one . . .the truth is out there....but....

When you have something to lose it all gets a bit more serious. Things start to matter. Alternative explanations with no practical narrative go in the bin.

Porpose and meaning to life become writ large when you have something to hold - family, kids, even property and possessions. Even a football club. FFS.

Whimsical is fine when it doesn't matter. Innit.