[Politics] Russia invades Ukraine (24/02/2022)

[Green Cross Code Man]

I don't know how true this is, but I have a lingering feeling that it has at least some element of truth to it. Disclaimer - anyone who knows me knows I am an ardent friend of Germany, love the country and people and am therefore not trying to stir things.

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[Bakero]

Perhaps there are other experts with a differing point of view ? There is usually a lot of debate in any specialised field. I would imagine your quoted author has made other predictions that have not come true.

The FT review of the book is a good read. It sounds like the guy certainly knows what he's talking about but he's more Dan Brown than Dickens and about as subtle as a sledgehammer
https://www.ft.com/content/085fd2c6-1db3-11e6-b286-cddde55ca122.

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

The FT review of the book is a good read. It sounds like the guy certainly knows what he's talking about but he's more Dan Brown than Dickens and about as subtle as a sledgehammer
https://www.ft.com/content/085fd2c6-1db3-11e6-b286-cddde55ca122.

Thank you. Yes, I’m sure he knows his stuff. I wasn’t suggesting otherwise and I agree with the analysis. I was just challenging the idea that politicians (of any party or in any country) have a straightforward choice when dealing with sometimes conflicting advice. Not acting on advice from one source that is subsequently proven correct only becomes clear with hindsight. At the decision making time it is just one point of view.

 

[Eric the meek]

I don't know how true this is, but I have a lingering feeling that it has at least some element of truth to it. Disclaimer - anyone who knows me knows I am an ardent friend of Germany, love the country and people and am therefore not trying to stir things.

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Be careful. There is an awful lot of disinformation out there.

At first glance, those bullet points look a terrible endictment of Scholz. The conclusion you jump to, is either he's in Putin's pocket or he's scared of him. Maybe both.

But take the time to read through those bullet points. Is it really likely they all happened in the way they are written? Or does the author have an agenda?

As far as I can see, there is only one reply which asks for evidence of any of it:
'It would be good for the credibility of your thread if you could provide sources for each of the bullet points. These might come in handy down the road.'

 

[Green Cross Code Man]

Be careful. There is an awful lot of disinformation out there.

At first glance, those bullet points look a terrible endictment of Scholz. The conclusion you jump to, is either he's in Putin's pocket or he's scared of him. Maybe both.

But take the time to read through those bullet points. Is it really likely they all happened in the way they are written? Or does the author have an agenda?

As far as I can see, there is only one reply which asks for evidence of any of it:
'It would be good for the credibility of your thread if you could provide sources for each of the bullet points. These might come in handy down the road.'

Agreed, looked at the guy's posts elsewhere and it seems he has a pretty strong agenda.

 

[portlock seagull]

Paddy Mayne. One of my personal heroes. Some people are uncomfortable that people like him exist. They should be grateful. People like him win wars.

Me and a friend of mine too. I reckon Richard Burton would have played him in a film

 

[portlock seagull]

Thanks for the heads up. I shall get hold of that.

He reckons there’s a good chance if NATO had massed troops on NATO borders when Putin was poking the Ukrainian border, there’s a good chance he’d not have invaded.

Yep, high stakes but then that’s the reality of situation. Thanks for the heads up btw, I listened to the R4 programme last night before going to bed. Very interesting.

 

[The Clamp]

Me and a friend of mine too. I reckon Richard Burton would have played him in a film

I’d go with O’Toole but Burton could do a job

 

[PILTDOWN MAN]

Be careful. There is an awful lot of disinformation out there.

At first glance, those bullet points look a terrible endictment of Scholz. The conclusion you jump to, is either he's in Putin's pocket or he's scared of him. Maybe both.

But take the time to read through those bullet points. Is it really likely they all happened in the way they are written? Or does the author have an agenda?

As far as I can see, there is only one reply which asks for evidence of any of it:
'It would be good for the credibility of your thread if you could provide sources for each of the bullet points. These might come in handy down the road.'

You're right of course to be cautious but he is definitely getting a lot of criticism from within Germany and from elsewhere.

 

[Billy the Fish]

You're right of course to be cautious but he is definitely getting a lot of criticism from within Germany and from elsewhere.

This was quite an interesting read.

https://www.spiegel.de/internationa...sponse-a-47dae068-fd09-4890-9ef8-d13c144b10a6

 

[Baldseagull]

I don't know how true this is, but I have a lingering feeling that it has at least some element of truth to it. Disclaimer - anyone who knows me knows I am an ardent friend of Germany, love the country and people and am therefore not trying to stir things.

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I don't think he is pro Putin, just dependent on Russian energy. A protracted war will be damaging for all of Europe but mostly for Germany, personally I think he just judged, as most did, that Russia will overpower Ukraine, and that the least pain for Germany is caused by that happening quickly.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

An interesting thread on how some people slavishly support Putin in Russia.

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[Eric the meek]

This was quite an interesting read.

https://www.spiegel.de/internationa...sponse-a-47dae068-fd09-4890-9ef8-d13c144b10a6

There is lots in there I wasn't aware of.

One takeaway I took particular note of:

'If the course of the past few months has shown one thing, it's that Scholz doesn’t make decisions until he has no other choice.'

This approach has advantages and disadvantages, but in a rapidly developing war situation, over which you only have limited control, you don't want to wait until your options are removed before you are ready.

 

[Eric the meek]

I don't think he is pro Putin, just dependent on Russian energy. A protracted war will be damaging for all of Europe but mostly for Germany, personally I think he just judged, as most did, that Russia will overpower Ukraine, and that the least pain for Germany is caused by that happening quickly.

As I understand it, Germany gets 40% of its gas from Russia. I read on here that this is a leftover from the network of gas supply into the old East Germany from what was then Soviet Russia.

It's a big problem for Germany and not an easy path to tread.

 

[Nobby Cybergoat]

As I understand it, Germany gets 40% of its gas from Russia. I read on here that this is a leftover from the network of gas supply into the old East Germany from what was then Soviet Russia.

It's a big problem for Germany and not an easy path to tread.

Well no, but they must now realise that this overdependence was a massive strategic error and take immediate steps to correct this error. One of which is to tell their electorate (who are very supportive of Ukraine) that there are going to be shortages this winter and put every effort into mitigating the effects of this immediate transition away from Russian commodities

 

[carlzeiss]

https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/bodies-of-two-zoo-workers-shot/

Workers who stayed behind at Ukraine zoo to help animals 'shot dead by Russians'

 

[essbee1]

An interesting thread on how some people slavishly support Putin in Russia.

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I saw that on the news last night. The sooner they realise Putin's a **** the better;
and the sooner they stop believing the bollox they're being told.

 

[Triggaaar]

This post just goes to show that he will never really get it. Pointless arguing with him. Sad spiteful little man.

Is that aimed at me?

 

[The Clamp]

Is that aimed at me?

No. Me.

 

[Triggaaar]

No. Me.

Oh ok, thanks. Sorry, wasn't trying to stir. You've gave it a thumbs up and confused me.