[Politics] Russia invades Ukraine (24/02/2022)

[DudsFarm]

Try reading some of these articles, unbelievable doesn't do it justice

tass.com/defense

 

[Triggaaar]

State TV in Russia is claiming the " Special Operation " is attempting to stop the massive destruction of Ukraine by the Ukrainian government. Beyond parody !

Indeed. Funny how the Ukrainians didn't destroy themselves until after Russia moved in to help stop it.

It's so depressing how people can be brainwashed. I've lived with people from China who have no idea about the real world, and see it as their duty to defend China against any words against it. For example, they see it as a good thing that Sweden was punished by China for Liu Xiaobo (the Chinese man who fought for human rights in China) receiving the Nobel prize. Madness.

 

[A1X]

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[Dibdab]

Indeed. Funny how the Ukrainians didn't destroy themselves until after Russia moved in to help stop it.

It's so depressing how people can be brainwashed. I've lived with people from China who have no idea about the real world, and see it as their duty to defend China against any words against it. For example, they see it as a good thing that Sweden was punished by China for Liu Xiaobo (the Chinese man who fought for human rights in China) receiving the Nobel prize. Madness.

Whilst Russian and Chinese news is clearly propagandist, It's very naïve to think that any side of any argument isn't brainwashed in the modern media world. Look at the states for example, right or left of politics have extreme media outlets and nothing trustworthy really in between. Not really much better here, media play up to the paymasters. I still don't really trust alot of the news coming from Ukraine from any outlet. Everyone has an agenda.

 

[Nobby Cybergoat]

Whilst Russian and Chinese news is clearly propagandist, It's very naïve to think that any side of any argument isn't brainwashed in the modern media world. Look at the states for example, right or left of politics have extreme media outlets and nothing trustworthy really in between. Not really much better here, media play up to the paymasters. I still don't really trust alot of the news coming from Ukraine from any outlet. Everyone has an agenda.

Well yes, most of the published press in this country is an exercise in preserving the assets of the billionaire class through mass disinformation.

However, there is at least plurality. Anyone can pick up a newspaper which has a different view. For the time being, you can go on a protest if you don't like something. There's a public service broadcaster, who though subject to unrelenting attack from certain newspapers, so not everyone likes it, has neutrality enshrined into it's constitution.

Anyone who is brainwashed here has effectively chosen to be, same as in the States. There are available alternatives. Not the case in Russian or China. You can't even get on most of the internet now.

 

[Springal]

Oh great - some empty head British Army soldiers have gone AWOL and off to Poland to get involved. That'll be fun when they get caught by Russians ....

 

[Triggaaar]

Whilst Russian and Chinese news is clearly propagandist, It's very naïve to think that any side of any argument isn't brainwashed in the modern media world. Look at the states for example, right or left of politics have extreme media outlets and nothing trustworthy really in between. Not really much better here, media play up to the paymasters. I still don't really trust alot of the news coming from Ukraine from any outlet. Everyone has an agenda.

Well it's fair to say I've met a lot of people from the West with a wide variety of views (some I agree with, some I disagree with). That is nothing like those subjected to the propaganda in China. They don't have a variety of views, they have one view - the one they're told to have.

That you liken brainwashing in China to the West is an absolute joke. Although a part of me suspects that you're not for real, if you are, you are extremely mistaken.

 

[Psychobilly freakout]

Oh great - some empty head British Army soldiers have gone AWOL and off to Poland to get involved. That'll be fun when they get caught by Russians ....

You know nothing about him, how dare you call him empty headed, maybe it is awash with pain and misery, maybe he has family there, just like people on this board, maybe some have god forbid died.....

I think he is brave way beyond anything I could muster, your thoughtless throw away comment without knowing the full facts is.....

Such a shame.

 

[Springal]

You know nothing about him, how dare you call him empty headed, maybe he has family there, just like people on this board, maybe some have god forbid died.....

I think he is brave way beyond anything I could muster, your thoughtless throw away comment without knowing the full facts is.....

Such a shame.

He’s not brave. It’s stupidity for a serving British soldier to go into a war zone Britain is not involved with. Perfect propaganda for Putin if caught that could bring us directly into the conflict. And actually I believe it’s 4 soldiers, not 1. Perhaps they all have Ukrainian family eh

 

[Badger Boy]

He’s not brave. It’s stupidity for a serving British soldier to go into a war zone Britain is not involved with. Perfect propaganda for Putin if caught that could bring us directly into the conflict. And actually I believe it’s 4 soldiers, not 1. Perhaps they all have Ukrainian family eh

Or perhaps they feel passionately that what's being done to Ukraine is outrageous and uncalled for and want to stand with the Ukrainian people. If they have skills which can help, then I say good for them and all the best. Ukraine needs all hands right now and I respect anyone who wants to do their bit. There is nothing more powerful than a collection of likeminded people with a single purpose and focus.

 

[Springal]

Or perhaps they feel passionately that what's being done to Ukraine is outrageous and uncalled for and want to stand with the Ukrainian people. If they have skills which can help, then I say good for them and all the best. Ukraine needs all hands right now and I respect anyone who wants to do their bit. There is nothing more powerful than a collection of likeminded people with a single purpose and focus.

Perhaps - but it’s incredibly reckless and puts our country at huge risk if caught / found dead.

 

[Psychobilly freakout]

He’s not brave. It’s stupidity for a serving British soldier to go into a war zone Britain is not involved with. Perfect propaganda for Putin if caught that could bring us directly into the conflict. And actually I believe it’s 4 soldiers, not 1. Perhaps they all have Ukrainian family eh

Whatever, you can look at it one way, and I another.

If they have deserted they are not serving British soldiers are they, there are plenty of British over in the Ukraine helping, do you think the Russians give a shit, if they are serving or not ?
It not as if they will be turning up in British uniform, the Russians won't know who or where they are from.

Yes they are brave, braver than me or you.

 

[Triggaaar]

Perhaps - but it’s incredibly reckless and puts our country at huge risk if caught / found dead.

I don't know exactly what they've done or their reasons, and I'm not justifying it without knowing enough, but personally I can't see how a few rogue soldiers is going to cause WW3.

 

[Hampden Park]

Perhaps - but it’s incredibly reckless and puts our country at huge risk if caught / found dead.

perhaps they will change out of their uniforms first?

 

[The Lemming Stomper]

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One mans 'brave' is another mans 'stupid'

One thing's for sure...Their Army career's finished

 

[Nobby Cybergoat]

Whatever, you can look at it one way, and I another.

If they have deserted they are not serving British soldiers are they, there are plenty of British over in the Ukraine helping, do you think the Russians give a shit, if they are serving or not ?
It not as if they will be turning up in British uniform, the Russians won't know who or where they are from.

Yes they are brave, braver than me or you.

Guessing they don't speak fluent Ukranian without an foreign accent.

Individually courageous, but i'm not sure the good that the 4 people can do is worth the propaganda that Putin will milk from it

 

[Springal]

Whatever, you can look at it one way, and I another.

If they have deserted they are not serving British soldiers are they, there are plenty of British over in the Ukraine helping, do you think the Russians give a shit, if they are serving or not ?
It not as if they will be turning up in British uniform, the Russians won't know who or where they are from.

Yes they are brave, braver than me or you.

Given their IDs are known and photos including distinctive tattoos (although UK press have blurred faces) are on the internet won't be to difficult eh?
Fair enough maybe no big deal, maybe we could use it as a cover to properly help Ukraine then with a few hundred soliders who have gone 'AWOL'

 

[Baldseagull]

Whilst Russian and Chinese news is clearly propagandist, It's very naïve to think that any side of any argument isn't brainwashed in the modern media world. Look at the states for example, right or left of politics have extreme media outlets and nothing trustworthy really in between. Not really much better here, media play up to the paymasters. I still don't really trust alot of the news coming from Ukraine from any outlet. Everyone has an agenda.

In this part of the world we can see what is being reported elsewhere in the world, even if we have to hunt it down a bit at times. No one is imprisoned, tortured or killed for presenting dissenting opinion.
I have doubts that as many Russians have died as Ukraine estimates, but other than that, I am believing the reports I am seeing mostly. What have you seen or heard that you are doubting? I understand not having total trust in the source, but even Johnson speaks the truth sometimes.

 

[Dibdab]

Well yes, most of the published press in this country is an exercise in preserving the assets of the billionaire class through mass disinformation.

However, there is at least plurality. Anyone can pick up a newspaper which has a different view. For the time being, you can go on a protest if you don't like something. There's a public service broadcaster, who though subject to unrelenting attack from certain newspapers, so not everyone likes it, has neutrality enshrined into it's constitution.

Anyone who is brainwashed here has effectively chosen to be, same as in the States. There are available alternatives. Not the case in Russian or China. You can't even get on most of the internet now.

I think it’s incredibly naive to think the bbc is impartial. Serious news events are given barely any airtime. You have mentioned the right to protest which a law is being passed to remove in this country and the BBC have barely gone near that story to the level it justifies being a prime example.

 

[Dibdab]

In this part of the world we can see what is being reported elsewhere in the world, even if we have to hunt it down a bit at times. No one is imprisoned, tortured or killed for presenting dissenting opinion.
I have doubts that as many Russians have died as Ukraine estimates, but other than that, I am believing the reports I am seeing mostly. What have you seen or heard that you are doubting? I understand not having total trust in the source, but even Johnson speaks the truth sometimes.

I think we are probably getting an overly optimistic view of how the Ukrainians are doing against the Russians. I hope I’m wrong.