Rio Ferdinand

[Pavilionaire]

Genuinly believe Kings lack of experience in Europe and playing in top matches for England will be a problem in the latter stages. Inexperience is fine with attacking players, at the heart of your back four its a problem. 10 times worse if we end up with Upson in the back four at some stage.

Have you forgotten how Terry and King 'owned' a world-class France side in Euro 2004?

If Ledley will have any problems, experience will be the least of them.

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

Have you forgotten how Terry and King 'owned' a world-class France side in Euro 2004?

If Ledley will have any problems, experience will be the least of them.

It wasnt him and Terry, He played instead of Terry.

Who somehow took Kings place the next game.

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

Glad everyone's thinks Upson is shit. Why he's in the 23 is beyond him. And if he actually gets a game now then we're f***ed.

Have no idea how or why Him and Green are in the squad

 

[Jackthelad]

Have no idea how or why Him and Green are in the squad

Green is ok he should not be number 1 Hart should be. The one player who England should of got from West Ham was Scott Parker who has been one of the best Mid's all season should of been back up for Barry and sent SWP home!

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

Green is ok he should not be number 1 Hart should be. The one player who England should of got from West Ham was Scott Parker who has been one of the best Mid's all season should of been back up for Barry and sent SWP home!

I think Parker should of gone

I just dont rate Green, Would have taken Robinson as he has been great this season

 

[Simster]

All of our goalkeepers have got "untimely clanger" written all over them. That goes for Robinson too, IMO.

 

[Pavilionaire]

It wasnt him and Terry, He played instead of Terry.

Who somehow took Kings place the next game.

Fair point - it was Campbell and King, but the key was King's brilliance that night.

Presumably, if Dawson replaces Rio then our first choice centre-back is...Sol? Or do they have to be from the 30? Knowing England, 7 back-ups between now and the start of the tournament won't be enough.

 

[Dick Knights Mumm]

All of our goalkeepers have got "untimely clanger" written all over them. That goes for Robinson too, IMO.

Possibly. Definitely Calamity and Green. Jury is out on Hart. Who should start.

 

[Pavilionaire]

I just had a look at the England side that lost to France in Euro 2004:

1. James (6 years younger)
2. Neville, G - when still good
3. Cole, A
4. King
5. Campbell
6. Beckham
7. Gerrard
8. Lampard
9. Scholes
10. Rooney
11. Owen.

I'd argue that's as good a side as we've fielded since WC '90 and, more signifcantly, better than our present side.

 

[Dick Knights Mumm]

SSN just reporting that Wembley groundsmen helped prepare the pitches at Rustenberg.

 

[Statto]

This is by no means a disaster. We have cover at centre back. Id be more concerned if it was an injury to Rooney, Lamps, Gerrard, or Ashley Cole.

 

[Lewes' best seagull]

A lot of ferdinand negativity on here, and whilst I appreciate that King is a good player and adequate cover we have lost an experienced centre-back and a very good defender, he can look clumsy but he can play the ball out and adds a different dimension to Terry. He was captain for a reason.

 

[Lewes' best seagull]

I just had a look at the England side that lost to France in Euro 2004:

1. James (6 years younger)
2. Neville, G - when still good
3. Cole, A
4. King
5. Campbell
6. Beckham
7. Gerrard
8. Lampard
9. Scholes
10. Rooney
11. Owen.

I'd argue that's as good a side as we've fielded since WC '90 and, more signifcantly, better than our present side.

That's a very good side. Definitely better than at the moment.

 

[The Wizard]

I just had a look at the England side that lost to France in Euro 2004:

1. James (6 years younger)
2. Neville, G - when still good
3. Cole, A
4. King
5. Campbell
6. Beckham
7. Gerrard
8. Lampard
9. Scholes
10. Rooney
11. Owen.

I'd argue that's as good a side as we've fielded since WC '90 and, more signifcantly, better than our present side.

Definitely a better side but we didn't have a great manager did we.

 

[Kalimantan Gull]

So that's now two out of the five players featured on the cover of 442 not going to the world cup. Will it be Rooney, Lennon or Terry to go next?

 

[Common as Mook]

He was captain for a reason.

that reason being John Terry's over active tallywhacker.

 

[nwgull]

I just had a look at the England side that lost to France in Euro 2004:

1. James (6 years younger)
2. Neville, G - when still good
3. Cole, A
4. King
5. Campbell
6. Beckham
7. Gerrard
8. Lampard
9. Scholes
10. Rooney
11. Owen.

I'd argue that's as good a side as we've fielded since WC '90 and, more signifcantly, better than our present side.

very good side that actually did quite well after that first game, we probably would have gone alot further if Rooney hadn't got injured after about 15 mins in the game against Portugal.

 

[Spanish Seagulls]

I just had a look at the England side that lost to France in Euro 2004:

1. James (6 years younger)
2. Neville, G - when still good
3. Cole, A
4. King
5. Campbell
6. Beckham
7. Gerrard
8. Lampard
9. Scholes
10. Rooney
11. Owen.

I'd argue that's as good a side as we've fielded since WC '90 and, more signifcantly, better than our present side.

Besides Neville, Beckham & Scholes that is the current England side. Maybe James will or won't play & Beckham may well have done if fit but that to me is the same bloody side.

 

[Pavilionaire]

Definitely a better side but we didn't have a great manager did we.

We'll find out how great Capello really is. Even Sven won the Italian Championship.

Using that 2004 side as a yardstick, and assuming King will come in for Rio, we're weaker defensively and haven't got the dead ball threat, but we have got pace out wide and we have got Fabio...

 

[vegster]

Blessing in disguise..?

Very much so, Duckface has not played or played well consistently for club or country this season. He has a back " problem " which seems to defy treatment and is ongoing which makes the situation worse. To be honest, he does drop clangers on a regular basis and I'd be more than happy for Dawson to step up and fill the CB role.