No it isn't!
I don't see how having a PSL would make any difference in this instance - either way you'd just have to decide whether on not you want to pay the increased price, or move elsewhere.
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Private Seat Licence
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Yes, this is DEFINITELY the case. The PSL ONLY comes into effect if you want to sell or pass on your seat.
Silent Bob
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- Dec 6, 2004
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I've got some old rope and magic beans if anyone is interested?
Easy 10
Brain dead MUG SHEEP
Indeed.
I reckon from the clubs point of view, PSL could just as well stand for Piss Self Laughing.
Wilka
Well-known member
So what happens if you have a PSL decide you want to take a season break. You put your seat up for sale online but it doesn't go. Do you lose your seat then unless you pay for the season ticket yourself thus making the PSL pointless?
Storer68
New member
Storer68
New member
It's basically the same as a debenture. For your payment, the club have to offer you first refusal on the seat. If you don't take it up for a particular game, they can then sell the seat on .
Seat licenses have been given various names- the most common term in North America is Personal Seat License and in Europe is Debenture. The primary reason sporting venues offer PSLs is that the proceeds are used to help pay the debt incurred during the construction of the stadium or arena. Opponents of PSLs see this as another way to extract money from the sports fans
A personal seat license, or PSL, gives the holder the right to buy season tickets for a certain seat in a stadium. This holder can sell the seat license to someone else if they no longer wish to purchase season tickets.[1] However, if the seat license holder chooses not to sell the seat licenses and does not renew the season tickets, the holder forfeits the license back to the team. Most seat licenses are valid for as long as the team plays in the current venue.
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Seat licenses have been given various names- the most common term in North America is Personal Seat License and in Europe is Debenture. The primary reason sporting venues offer PSLs is that the proceeds are used to help pay the debt incurred during the construction of the stadium or arena. Opponents of PSLs see this as another way to extract money from the sports fans
A personal seat license, or PSL, gives the holder the right to buy season tickets for a certain seat in a stadium. This holder can sell the seat license to someone else if they no longer wish to purchase season tickets.[1] However, if the seat license holder chooses not to sell the seat licenses and does not renew the season tickets, the holder forfeits the license back to the team. Most seat licenses are valid for as long as the team plays in the current venue.
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AMEXican Wave
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- Sep 21, 2010
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I see the PSL as a bit like being on the 'housing ladder'.
If, in a few years time you want to change seat from one stand to another, the stadium is selling out and there is a waiting list for season tickets, then one way to do this is to try to buy a PSL at that point for your new seat. If they are, say, 1500 quid, then it's a big ask. However, if you have a PSL already, then you can cash that in at the going rate, and the 1500 for another one won't be a problem.
If, in a few years time you want to change seat from one stand to another, the stadium is selling out and there is a waiting list for season tickets, then one way to do this is to try to buy a PSL at that point for your new seat. If they are, say, 1500 quid, then it's a big ask. However, if you have a PSL already, then you can cash that in at the going rate, and the 1500 for another one won't be a problem.
Easy 10
Brain dead MUG SHEEP
But the club offer you first refusal on your season ticket renewal anyway. They always have, and they've confirmed that this will continue at the Amex.
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Storer68
New member
But they don't have to continue to do so. They could always change the rules around STs without any notice. For £500 I get first dibbs FOR THE LIFE OF THE STADIUM or 50 years, whichver is the shorter.
I could have spent £500 on a week in Littlehampton or........
I won't be around by 2065 (well I could be but I won't be able to gat to many games aged 101)
drew
Drew
And equally they could designate your seat as 1901 and, provided you pay the £99 a month you still get to keep 'your' seat. They could even just announce that the season ticket price for your seat has gone up by 300%. PSLs are currently a gimmick with no real value to fans of a club like Brighton unless you expect to be pushing up the daisies in the next few years and want to hand it on.
What should happen is pressure should be brought to bear on the league to change their rules to make season tickets more transferable.
LowKarate
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We are not Arsenal and therefore we don't need PSLs.
I'm not naive enough to think that a commercial organisation wouldn't try to sell the seat from underneath me if they thought they could turn a profit, but despite decades as a season ticket holder I do not consider that they have me over a barrel. I'm also stubborn enough that as a point of principal and protest, if they did try to move me because someone paid £500 to buy my seat from underneath me, then I would stop going until they had missed out on as much revenue as they made.
It may not be a popular view as I know that some people feel that we should all just give our every last disposable penny in the name of success, but I hate the commercialism of the Premiership and PSLs sound to me like the first step towards that commercialism. Success is great (if we could have it) and Tony Bloom is making all the right moves to achieve it, but for me, success at any cost is not what I want and I genuinely hope that the club does not lose respect for its customers. Not all Premiership clubs operate this sort of scheme, so why do we think we need to succumb to it?
I'm not naive enough to think that a commercial organisation wouldn't try to sell the seat from underneath me if they thought they could turn a profit, but despite decades as a season ticket holder I do not consider that they have me over a barrel. I'm also stubborn enough that as a point of principal and protest, if they did try to move me because someone paid £500 to buy my seat from underneath me, then I would stop going until they had missed out on as much revenue as they made.
It may not be a popular view as I know that some people feel that we should all just give our every last disposable penny in the name of success, but I hate the commercialism of the Premiership and PSLs sound to me like the first step towards that commercialism. Success is great (if we could have it) and Tony Bloom is making all the right moves to achieve it, but for me, success at any cost is not what I want and I genuinely hope that the club does not lose respect for its customers. Not all Premiership clubs operate this sort of scheme, so why do we think we need to succumb to it?
The Peanut Roaster
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It would be interesting to know how much the commission structure is for the Aussie on these.
Tom Hark Preston Park
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- Jul 6, 2003
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How MANY magic beans?
KNC
Well-known member
Great post
Mr Burns
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Mmm. I thought that. In my meeting he said that he guarantees the stadium will sell out and there will be a waiting list and PSLs will come into play. Be interesting to see if he said this is very talk he's done, as if the stadium doesn't sell out and there's never a waiting list for PSLs, then surely he could get done for miss selling. The leaflet is worded very carefully, but he blantley said it will sell out and there will be a waiting list "I guarantee it " was the words he said in his soppy Aussie drone
clippedgull
Hotdogs, extra onions
Not much different to what he said this morning. He's lumping us in with the likes of Arsenal and their 59,000 waiting list (according to him). It could be a great investment, if we ever reach those heady heights, but who would want to sell if we are a top 6 Premiership club?!!