Private Seat Licence

[Best Foot Forward]

I got the impression from the "PSL sales pitch" last night that after presenting this numerous times over the past month that they are starting to not actually beleive in the benefits themselves.

From what I gather from the early presentations it was almost a "must have", but now they are saying if you are planning to be renewing a season ticket for the foreseeable future then a PSL is probably not for you. So if you plan to die in the next 10 / 15 years and want to guarantee the right to transfer over to a relative then you should consider it.

I suspect the uptake will be very low

 

[Lord Bracknell]

The value of a PSL will depend on market forces.

So far, the signs are that not many people want to buy one. This suggests that "the market" is unimpressed by the product. This doesn't bode well for people who are gambling that the price will rise by the time they want to sell theirs.

 

[Icy Gull]

The value of a PSL will depend on market forces.

So far, the signs are that not many people want to buy one. This suggests that "the market" is unimpressed by the product. This doesn't bode well for people who are gambling that the price will rise by the time they want to sell theirs.

That's the whole point though isn't it, it IS a gamble, unless you are a 1901er when you don't have a choice and HAVE to buy one.

 

[Albion Dan]

The whole scheme is nothing more than marketing spin, playing on fears that the team will be so successful that there will be waiting lists to ever get to see them live.

How many teams in the top two divisions sell out every game? Probably no more than 5?. I'd say if you benchmarked against were we will end up if we have done very very well, we'd be looking at Stoke/Sunderland/Everton type territory. I believe it is relatively easy to get tickets for all of these, and all get less than the 35k that Falmer will expand to in that instance.

It really is a shame that our club are trying to mug us off in this way. They should have just put £20 on top of eveyones season ticket if they needed more cash, far more honest and transparent.

 

[Storer68]

I don't think the club are trying to "mug us off in this way." I think they are just offering aproduct which some people might want to take advantage of. Some others will not. In the same way that i think this season's replica shirt is HORRIBLE and so consequently have not shelled out nearly 40 quid for oit. My choice. No one else's

 

[Storer68]

The value of a PSL will depend on market forces.

So far, the signs are that not many people want to buy one. This suggests that "the market" is unimpressed by the product. This doesn't bode well for people who are gambling that the price will rise by the time they want to sell theirs.

But that's nonsense. you might as well say that because Rolls Royce don't sell as many Silver Clouds as ford sells Fiesta, that people should only by a fiesta.

And I don't think most poeple who have shelled out for one are thinking of profiteering from it. Possibly they are attracted by the security of access that it offers above that of a Season Ticket (which only operates for a season) and can be moved at the club's discretion

As a comparisom, I looked at the All england tennis ckub (Wimbledon to us oiks)

Debentures in both these series were offered at £9,900 and entitled the holder to a reserved seat for the first ten days of The Championships for each of the relevant five years.

On 31 March 2006, the Company announced a third series of Debentures for the No.1 Court at a cost per debenture of £12,250. 850 Debentures have been issued covering the 2007-2011 Championships.

And of course after so long at Withdean with so many STHs, many people have grown unaccustomed to dealing with demand for tickets at home matches. and so far its been existing STHs renewing their Withdean season tickets .
So we don't really know what the demand for new tickets will really look like, until that process has run its course
.

 

[8ace]

If they do sell poorly, is it possible the club may sell them at a reduced price in the future?

 

[Easy 10]

It's NOT just for one season though Storer. STH'S will still be given first refusal on renewing their seat, as has always been the case. I can't help thinking you've been sold a pup.

 

[mcshane in the 79th]

But that's nonsense. you might as well say that because Rolls Royce don't sell as many Silver Clouds as ford sells Fiesta, that people should only by a fiesta.

And I don't think most poeple who have shelled out for one are thinking of profiteering from it. Possibly they are attracted by the security of access that it offers above that of a Season Ticket (which only operates for a season) and can be moved at the club's discretion

Sorry what do you mean by 'security of access'?

 

[Storer68]

It means I get first refusal on the ticket for a particular match and the club can't re sell it unless I confirm that I down't want it.

Its my seat for the rest of my life, or fifty years of the life of the stadium, whichever comes first.

We could get into aa position where, like some clubs, they become so popular that ST applications become over subscribed aand then a real bin fest, at the club's control, occurs. I bet the 40,000 on Arseanl's waiting list are enjoying themselves

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[Storer68]

you sure of that Easy??

I once was sure that Archer and Bellend would not sell the Goldstone bcause Bellend told me so himself.

been bitten once already, not letting it happen again

 

[Easy 10]

you sure of that Easy??

I once was sure that Archer and Bellend would not sell the Goldstone bcause Bellend told me so himself.

been bitten once already, not letting it happen again

Errr...yes. I am.

Come on fella, you're not seriously lumping TB and the current regime with that gang of crooks are you ? I think they'd find that more than a little insulting.

We've got 20 season ticket holders all in a group, all of whom have been told they will be able to renew and sit with this group year-in, year out, for as long as they want to. And there are a HELL of a lot of these groups dotted around the stadium who have taken the plunge and invested heavily in their chosen seats, with their chosen companions. The club piss on that loyalty AT THEIR PERIL, and I honestly cannot envisage a situation whereby they'd ever jeopardise the income from regular STH's. They're the lifeblood.

As someone said earlier, we are not Arsenal. The idea that we'll have gargantuan waiting lists for season tickets is fanciful in the extreme, especially as we can expand the stadium. Even then, I'd wager that the loyal STH's who were there from the start would not be done over by the club.

 

[Easy 10]

If they do sell poorly, is it possible the club may sell them at a reduced price in the future?

The way the club were pushing it, they were saying "get in NOW while its only 500 quid", implying it'll be a hell of a lot more once the June 30th deadline has passed. People are being given the impression that they'll be able to sell these things on at a massive profit to people who are wanting to jump season ticket waiting lists, some vague time in the future.

Its nonsense really. The more I think about it, the more annoyed I get that they're flogging them. We were told on my presentation (14th Jan) that 200 PSL's had been sold - thats 100k's worth. If its true its welcome for the clubs coffers, but I am still a long, long way convinced from seeing what their actual value really is for the punters.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Errr...yes. I am.

Come on fella, you're not seriously lumping TB and the current regime with that gang of crooks are you ? I think they'd find that more than a little insulting.

We've got 20 season ticket holders all in a group, all of whom have been told they will be able to renew and sit with this group year-in, year out, for as long as they want to. And there are a HELL of a lot of these groups dotted around the stadium who have taken the plunge and invested heavily in their chosen seats, with their chosen companions. The club piss on that loyalty AT THEIR PERIL, and I honestly cannot envisage a situation whereby they'd ever jeopardise the income from regular STH's. They're the lifeblood.

As someone said earlier, we are not Arsenal. The idea that we'll have gargantuan waiting lists for season tickets is fanciful in the extreme, especially as we can expand the stadium. Even then, I'd wager that the loyal STH's who were there from the start would not be done over by the club.

To be honest, I think you will be fine. But, if Tony Bloom sold up and a new owner had different ideas then things could well change. It's certainly within reason. Dick Knight promised numerous things which under the new ownership of TB are not being delivering. New owners often have new ideas. But, as I say, I think you'll be fine and it simply is not worth £500 to protect against the unlikely situation of being asked to move seat.

 

[Herne Hill Seagull]

I will not have anybody to leave it to, having no kids and no plans for kids. I also see this as part of the rampant commercialisation of football, one further small step away from the game I remember getting into in the first place, so wouldn't buy one in any case.

(If it were up to me there'd be a safe standing area at Falmer. Would they sell private squares of terrace if all-seat stadia had not become so prevalent?)

 

[Easy 10]

To be honest, I think you will be fine. But, if Tony Bloom sold up and a new owner had different ideas then things could well change. It's certainly within reason. Dick Knight promised numerous things which under the new ownership of TB are not being delivering. New owners often have new ideas. But, as I say, I think you'll be fine and it simply is not worth £500 to protect against the unlikely situation of being asked to move seat.

Exactly.
£500 is a fairly substantial insurance premium to stump up on the possibility of this football club one day in the distant future suddenly deciding to f*** you over.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

but I am still a long, long way convinced from seeing what their actual value really is for the punters.

I'd be interested to know how people who have purchased a PSL measure the value, and in what units. Anyone out there with a PSL care to tell me the reasons for the purchase?

 

[BensGrandad]

I think that it is a move up from ther 'little friendly club; to 'we mean business club' and is just a way of the club earning more money. I think that if they wished to raise some capital they would have done better to have said that you could pay up £500 up front advance off your next few years tickets and that they would reduce the next 6 years by £100 thus the STH would benefit by £100 for their initial outlay and the club would have had the money for 5 years by which time our crowds at Falmer would have stabilised more.

 

[Notters]

I don't think the club are trying to "mug us off in this way."

I do

 

[8ace]

The way the club were pushing it, they were saying "get in NOW while its only 500 quid", implying it'll be a hell of a lot more once the June 30th deadline has passed. People are being given the impression that they'll be able to sell these things on at a massive profit to people who are wanting to jump season ticket waiting lists, some vague time in the future.

Its nonsense really. The more I think about it, the more annoyed I get that they're flogging them. We were told on my presentation (14th Jan) that 200 PSL's had been sold - thats 100k's worth. If its true its welcome for the clubs coffers, but I am still a long, long way convinced from seeing what their actual value really is for the punters.

Hmm, if people have bought one now (alongside their "good seat") I can't really see them wanting to pay more for one in six months time. If the club don't think they can sell any more at £500 a pop what's to stop them knocking them out at £250?
I might have had a gamble on one for a two-er.