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Nani, Gomes and THAT Goal
- Thread starter Barrel of Fun
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The goal was Gomes' fault, unquestionably, and having made his first decision, the ref is right not to overule it to counter Gomes' f***-up.
Unfortunately we all know for a FACT that had the same thing happened at the other end, the goal would NOT have stood. Please don't bother arguing with this - you know it is true.
Unfortunately we all know for a FACT that had the same thing happened at the other end, the goal would NOT have stood. Please don't bother arguing with this - you know it is true.
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Brain dead MUG SHEEP
Its assumptive journalism. There's no direct quote whatsoever from Clattenburg, it just suits the ref-bashing tone of the article to imply that he's going round acknowledging he mucked it up.
Personally, as a rule of thumb, once an article says someone "has told friends" or "has said in private", then I pretty much take it for granted that the rest of whats been written has been made up by the journalist to suit the agenda.
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Brain dead MUG SHEEP
How else could he have made it clearer ? What else could he have done. Written him a letter ? Charades ? Semaphore ? A powerpoint presentation ? Express his decision to Gomes through the medium of dance ?
I think he tried semaphore, or charades, there's a shot of the pitch from behind Man U's goal where you see Gomes put the ball down and Clattenberg makes plenty of arm movements indicating that the ball is in play.
He has a pencil and pad, perhaps he could have tried pictionary...
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Brain dead MUG SHEEP
Yes. If Clatternburg came out and said "I played advantage", then he would have been in the wrong because (a) he never once indicated he was playing an advantage, and (b) if he HAD played advantage, then he could clearly have ruled the goal out and called it back.
When a ref plays an advantage, its so it doesn't spoil a promising attacking move for the fouled team. There IS no advantage to play when that team is in its own penalty box. Hence why I think this whole "advtange" argument is an irrelevence - because Clattenburg didn't play advantage, he simply said "just play on". There IS a difference.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1325377/Graham-Poll-Blame-Heurelho-Gomes-Mark-Clattenburg-Nani-goal.html
There's a picture on there in point three (picture has a 4 in the corner) showing gomes looking at clattenburg, with the ref's arms out.
There's a picture on there in point three (picture has a 4 in the corner) showing gomes looking at clattenburg, with the ref's arms out.
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Brain dead MUG SHEEP
*sigh*
He didn't play an advantage, he just said "play on".
He didn't play an advantage, he just said "play on".
According to Graham Poll, Clattenburg shouted "play on", which you can ONLY do if no offence has been committed.
Still Clattenburg's fault for creating the confusion in the first place. Gomes capitalised on that confusion by acting like a thicket.
Still Clattenburg's fault for creating the confusion in the first place. Gomes capitalised on that confusion by acting like a thicket.
No whistle! Not hard to understand, it could be the most obvious foul/ offence ever commited, but if the ref doesn't blow his whistle you have to keep playing. I learnt this when I was about 5.
Harry Redknapp has let himself down big time. His players should take the full blame!
drew
Drew
Don't quite follow. In some posts you say he didn't play advantage and in this one you say he said play on. A deliberate hand ball had taken place which he had seen and is therefore a free kick. If he is saying play on it is the same as advantage, irrespective of whether he gives the correct 'advantage' signal with his arms.
Who cares, he didn't blow his f***ing whistle!!! Not hard. These players are paid thousands upon thousands of pounds, they should know that if the ref doesn't blow his whistle then play on!!
sten_super
Brain Surgeon
I'm sure in the dressing room Gomes got a right bollocking. However, it's much easier for Redknapp to publicly blame the referee who has no comeback, thereby taking all pressure off his player.
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Brain dead MUG SHEEP
There is a difference between playing an advantage and just saying "play on" to keep the flow of the game going. As mentioned earlier, playing an advantage is done so as not to stop a promising break or move from the attacking team, thats why the ref always clearly indicates the decision by continuing to run along with play, arms outstretched in front of him and pointing forwards.
By its very nature, there simply IS no advantage to award when a team is back in its own penalty area, and the ball is at the keepers feet. And he never signalled that he'd awarded an advantage, he was just telling Gomes to get on with it, play on, no need for a free kick.
Playing on is not the same as an advantage though, because unlike playing advantage, he can't call it back if it immediately goes wrong for the fouled team.
Like I said, the situation was very confusing
(clear handball/was there an advantage?/was it a free kick?/why not yellow card for nani?/and about 5 other things)
and NEEDED a clear decision from the ref, so everyone understood what was going on.
None was forthcoming. CHAOS ensued.
(clear handball/was there an advantage?/was it a free kick?/why not yellow card for nani?/and about 5 other things)
and NEEDED a clear decision from the ref, so everyone understood what was going on.
None was forthcoming. CHAOS ensued.
sten_super
Brain Surgeon
It's actually IMO a real pity that Gomes messed this up so badly. No-one likes a stop-start game, and no-one likes players diving around dramatically and throwing tantrums. If Man Utd had got caught with Nani out of position because he'd thrown himself over and the ref had allowed play to continue (effectively ruling him out of that phase of play) then it just might have discouraged players from diving quite so readily in the future. As it is now instead we will go the other way, and refs will have to blow up at every single infringement.