Paskman
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Perhaps if we fall out with ourselves and make ourselves our worst enemy, his agent will start a rumour that he is joining Brighton? 
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Murray to Southampton
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SirElliotBennett
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SirElliotBennett
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Would be a pointless sideways move for him unless they offered huge money. He's said he is settled, I think he'll stay imo
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Greetings
- Feb 8, 2005
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Out of contract, not had a good season, only on loan
gwc
georgeweahscousin
No thanks.
Hopefully we will go for CMS if Peterborough stay down though.
Hopefully we will go for CMS if Peterborough stay down though.
brightonrock
Dodgy Hamstrings
- Jan 1, 2008
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He's not officially allowed to be offered anything by a domestic club until one month before his contract expires anyway, if my understanding of the rules is spot on. Foreign clubs can offer pre-contract terms in the last 6 months of a player's contract (i.e. January onwards) but I don't think anyone is allowed to make a solid offer (certainly in legal, paperwork terms - there may be a 'gentleman's agreement' in place) until June 1st. Hence the wait. I too am growing intensely bored of the palava over his contract - I understand his reluctance to commit given this has to be the most lucrative contract of his career. But I'm beginning to not give a f***, Bloom and Poyet will have set a strict cap and won't offer a penny over regardless of who his wanker of an agent links him with. If the offer isn't good enough then he's welcome to go, I don't blame him. But god help him if it was to Palace, or Southampton. Would make the games a little more tasty next season when El-Abd welcomed him to the Amex by kicking him into the West Stand Upper.
TottonSeagull
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Kuipers Supporters Club
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He is definetly staying down south.
fire&skill
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I'm of the mind that the ONLY indispensable person at BHAFC - and I include our esteemed Uruguayan manager as dispensable - is Tony Bloom.
He chose Gus after all. If Murray goes, so be it. Gus - and more importantly Tony - will make sure we're ok.
He chose Gus after all. If Murray goes, so be it. Gus - and more importantly Tony - will make sure we're ok.
S'hampton Seagull
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Not until he signs a contract.
Kuipers Supporters Club
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I didn't say with us.
He said (and it's from the horses mouth) he 'will be staying down south'.
He wasn't prepared to go into any more details, and this news doesn't rule out the possibility he will stay with us.
He said (and it's from the horses mouth) he 'will be staying down south'.
He wasn't prepared to go into any more details, and this news doesn't rule out the possibility he will stay with us.
pork pie
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I get the impression, maybe wrongly, that GP and TB are not prepared to offer too much of the playing budget to him.
They must be keeping their cash to pay for a more lethal finisher, which is what Gus has wanted for a long time. Murray is unlikely to score the number of goals we will require next year and at best would play second fiddle to a better quality striker if he stays. We should not pay too much for his services.
Kuipers Supporters Club
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I disagree.
His overall, all round contribution has been huge.
Our worst performances this season - away to S'ton, and away to B'muff. Until he came on we were shocking - on come Glenn and we start to play.
In addition, his defensive work shouldn't be underestimated either.
By all means get in another striker - but keep Glenn too.
100% spot on. The way Glenn wins the ball in the air is nothing short of miraculous - he will be incredibly difficult to replace. Sorting him out with a decent signing on fee should be much cheaper than buying someone to replace him. The thing is, if we let Glenn go we will need TWO new classy forwards. Barnes is excellent, but very inconsistent, Wood is cr*p, Sandaza is at best an impact sub, and Holroyd couldn't even make it in League 1, let alone the Championship.
Chamberpot
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- Jan 5, 2010
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I would be annoyed if Murray left he has got such a good future here at the albion. But I think he's only in it for money and not the club.
pork pie
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His contribution around the park may have been "huge". There is not dispute that he has been a good player at League 1 level for us this season.
However, the primary role of a striker is to score goals. Murray's strike rate to chances is not good enough to enable us to challenge for the Premiership if he is our main striker. Hopefully the need for Murray to make up for the lack of height in our defense will be sorted out for next season. Murray should be kept at the right price, but only at the right price. He is no Bobby Zamora or Peter Ward. If he stays, we will have to buy a more lethal finisher anyway - and that will cost a lot of money.
larus
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And why shouldn't he be? As fans we're all too quick to want to ship out players that don't meet our expectations, but then expect loyalty from those that we want to keep. We can't have it both ways....
Barrel of Fun
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I'm not sure I agree with much of that. I think you are getting ahead of yourself in terms of needing certain players to challenge for the top flight.
You talk about the primary role of a striker being to score goals. That depends entirely on the make-up of the team and how they play. Murray isn't just a goalscorer, he is our lynchpin. Look at someone like Kevin Davies - he has never been prolific, but he is one of the most important players to Bolton.
Murray's strike rate is reasonable, certainly at this level. There is no reason why it should deteriorate in the league above. Grant Holt being a decent example. If we got rid of Murray, we would not be solely taking away his finishing.
Shooting stats - On / Off / Goals
Lambert - 83/57/21/15%
Hoskins - 59/49/17/15.7%
CMS - 63/35/26/26.5%
Murray - 47/45/22/23.9%
BWP - 56/27/21/25.3%
Now, he is not too far behind CMS and streets ahead of Lambert. I don't know if either of those take free kicks or penalties - I'm pretty sure Lambert takes penalties and free kicks. That can be given to another player if Murray is not suitable.
I'm interested to know who you think scores more than 1 in 4 chances. Holt is scoring at a rate of 17%, I think he takes penalties. Bellamy, 11%. Sinclair, 18% and so on.
It doesn't just have to be about scoring goals. There are only 8 players with over 15 goals this season, in the Championship. There is little to suggest, at the moment, that Murray would be incapable of scoring in the league above.
Of course, no player is worth breaking the bank over and disrupting the playing budget.
How will our lack of height at the back be sorted out next season? Are we able to afford/is there someone available to us/and so on that can play football as opposed to jsut being a big hulk at the back and heading the ball away?
If anything, this season has proven that it is a team game and players are/should not be restricted to a primary role.
pork pie
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My point is that we should not break the bank to keep him. If he wants to go - then so be it. The stats are not really the whole picture are they? Murray does not get enough shots away - on or off target, to be as lethal we need.
Gus has already highlighted our need for bigger stronger players for next year. That must surely deal with our lack of height?
BensGrandad
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Wasnt it Brian Clough who said if you have 20 shots you may score anything from 0 up to 20 goals. If you have 1 shot the most you can score is 1 goal so on that assumtion the more shots Glen has the better, even if he misses them. The problem is like Chris Holroyd and many before him, not getting in the position in the first place to have the shot.