R. Slicker
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- Jan 1, 2009
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Maybe I'm too 'woke'. Whatever that means, but I can't understand how anybody can be bothered to get angry about players taking the knee..
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[Football] Millwall fans covering themselves in glory again
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SeagullinExile
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dejavuatbtn
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Fail to see why Kazim-Richards appears to have made himself exempt. What is it with this guy?
Bold Seagull
strong and stable with me, or...
This tells you those that call people ‘woke’ when it suits them are more woke than anyone!
He’s a “look at me” type.
Bold Seagull
strong and stable with me, or...
Is it really a question of who is in favour? The players and the game are collective making a stand. Whether you, I or anyone else is in favour or not is irrelevant if they feel they want to continue with their action. If they collectively decide to stop, so be it. I’m not sure why people are worried about it. It’s not even 10secs of time taken up before KO.
At the end of the day it’s a stand about equality. How can anyone be against equality?
darkwolf666
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I’m sure many fans would enjoy kneeling in puddles of spilt fizzy drinks.
Agree, a stupid but I'm sure tongue in cheek suggestion.
Applause would be the way to go for fans...
Publius Ovidius
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No...only davie propper
Boooooooooooooooooooo
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- Jan 3, 2012
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That’s nice. As Elvis Costello once said, “What’s so funny ‘bout peace, love and understanding.” Not something that appeals to you, clearly.
Publius Ovidius
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Didn’t the South Africa cricket team decide between themselves to stop it......quite a statement by a country that suffered from the most horrendous racism.
I can take the knee no probs....I’m sure many fans would enjoy kneeling in puddles of spilt fizzy drinks.
...it's the getting back up again I have an issue with.
- Jan 3, 2012
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I think that shows what a narrow-minded mixed up kid he is. It says more about the narrowness of his religion and/or his understanding than anything else. Does everyone who supports BLM burn down Churches.?
With the club providing free
knee pads on the seats of fans lucky enough to be able to attend .
Doonhamer7
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I was totally against the taking the knee but one single tweet from Farage trying to stop it and I’m now not so sure.
So just some thoughts.
Which player really has a choice in not taking the knee? Can you imagine the backlash, therefore it is being societally forced upon them. I feel we are more likely for a player to announce they are gay.
Racism and discrimination in every form is unacceptable. I’ve not seen racism ( I have seen homophobia and sexism) in my life but I’m a white male so am supposedly ‘privileged’.
We cannot compare the UK to the US - I chat to colleagues in our US offices and although they have a much more diverse society than us their racism is so much deeper to ours (and what I’ve heard well educated people saying about Hispanics is worse). The patriotism of having to (and you have to - there is no real choice) stand for the national anthem was why taking the knee was such a powerful message.
I know individuals who are black but have no black friends so I cannot speak or feel what they suffer, I do though have friends who are of Indian, Pakistan, Bangladesh and Chinese decent (first, second and third generation) and we have had good chats about this when it first started. They say they see less and less racism in society now and interesting none wanted to be called BAME. One friend on Bangladesh decent said he gets more racism from his own than from any white person - recently walked out of a curry restaurant in Surrey because of it. Another friend who recently moved from India laughed at the whole concept - he said we should all see the cast system that still exists in India today. Another friend said look at where we are, ‘we all arrived’ in the Uk in the 60s/70s with nothing (whether from India, Pakistan (East or West), Hong Kong or the West Indies) and were treated like something you lot had stood on but by knuckling down and doing the right thing - working stupid hours so we could afford to buy a corner shop, so we could ensure that our kids and grand kids went on to get well educated, so they got better jobs than us and then prove our value to society through action and hard work.
Slavery is abhorrent but let’s not forget most of us weren’t slave traders or got any value out of it. 150+ years ago most of our great great great grandparents would have been in some form of servitude towards a landowner, mill, factory or mine owner. When slavery was at its peak my descendants were being driven off the land in the highland clearances an act so offensive in British History that most people in England have no idea happened or that ‘we’ starved the Irish at the time of the potato blight by still exporting wheat rather than redistribution or that only 120 years ago we ran concentration camps on Boer families in South Africa. Look at the racist views of some of the 20th century’s greatest Churchill, Gandhi, Ford - completely unacceptable now but the norm then. There has been much more recent examples of slavery from some very large corporations during WW2 we all know and use today ( Mercedes, Bosch, Siemens). And for anyone who wants to see the eradication of slavery - then never go to holiday in Dubai or the Other Gulf states - those posh hotels were built with near slave labour.
We as a country voted for Brexit and for a lot of individuals this was about keeping foreigners out - a different form of racism/bigotry because it was against white Eastern Europeans
The societal norm of different races and creeds in London for example - which is so diverse does not match the UK norm, for example in my home town there less than 1% none white people. So taking the knee can be seen as a London thing (60% of Loners are white, 95% of Scots are white, 98% in Northern Ireland, 95% in North East).
And hear us irony - read elsewhere that being called a gammon is seen as a compliment not an insult by some and the reason why - because it’s a pork product and you can see the rest of the stupid logic.....
Anyway as Farage hates it - probably best we keep it going
So just some thoughts.
Which player really has a choice in not taking the knee? Can you imagine the backlash, therefore it is being societally forced upon them. I feel we are more likely for a player to announce they are gay.
Racism and discrimination in every form is unacceptable. I’ve not seen racism ( I have seen homophobia and sexism) in my life but I’m a white male so am supposedly ‘privileged’.
We cannot compare the UK to the US - I chat to colleagues in our US offices and although they have a much more diverse society than us their racism is so much deeper to ours (and what I’ve heard well educated people saying about Hispanics is worse). The patriotism of having to (and you have to - there is no real choice) stand for the national anthem was why taking the knee was such a powerful message.
I know individuals who are black but have no black friends so I cannot speak or feel what they suffer, I do though have friends who are of Indian, Pakistan, Bangladesh and Chinese decent (first, second and third generation) and we have had good chats about this when it first started. They say they see less and less racism in society now and interesting none wanted to be called BAME. One friend on Bangladesh decent said he gets more racism from his own than from any white person - recently walked out of a curry restaurant in Surrey because of it. Another friend who recently moved from India laughed at the whole concept - he said we should all see the cast system that still exists in India today. Another friend said look at where we are, ‘we all arrived’ in the Uk in the 60s/70s with nothing (whether from India, Pakistan (East or West), Hong Kong or the West Indies) and were treated like something you lot had stood on but by knuckling down and doing the right thing - working stupid hours so we could afford to buy a corner shop, so we could ensure that our kids and grand kids went on to get well educated, so they got better jobs than us and then prove our value to society through action and hard work.
Slavery is abhorrent but let’s not forget most of us weren’t slave traders or got any value out of it. 150+ years ago most of our great great great grandparents would have been in some form of servitude towards a landowner, mill, factory or mine owner. When slavery was at its peak my descendants were being driven off the land in the highland clearances an act so offensive in British History that most people in England have no idea happened or that ‘we’ starved the Irish at the time of the potato blight by still exporting wheat rather than redistribution or that only 120 years ago we ran concentration camps on Boer families in South Africa. Look at the racist views of some of the 20th century’s greatest Churchill, Gandhi, Ford - completely unacceptable now but the norm then. There has been much more recent examples of slavery from some very large corporations during WW2 we all know and use today ( Mercedes, Bosch, Siemens). And for anyone who wants to see the eradication of slavery - then never go to holiday in Dubai or the Other Gulf states - those posh hotels were built with near slave labour.
We as a country voted for Brexit and for a lot of individuals this was about keeping foreigners out - a different form of racism/bigotry because it was against white Eastern Europeans
The societal norm of different races and creeds in London for example - which is so diverse does not match the UK norm, for example in my home town there less than 1% none white people. So taking the knee can be seen as a London thing (60% of Loners are white, 95% of Scots are white, 98% in Northern Ireland, 95% in North East).
And hear us irony - read elsewhere that being called a gammon is seen as a compliment not an insult by some and the reason why - because it’s a pork product and you can see the rest of the stupid logic.....
Anyway as Farage hates it - probably best we keep it going
I am entirely against racism, I am also against the knee in professional UK football as it has run its course. Ongoing it will become a point of division between fans, best end it now.
Love and understanding is great, but when the likes of Colin Kazim Richards tries to preach/lecture to others about BLM, it all looks a little hypocritical given his lack of open mindedness about other issues don’t you think?
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12119884/churches-burned-black-lives-matter-protests/
FIRE & FURY Multiple churches ‘burned and vandalized’ across US as cops investigate possible links to statue protests
A NUMBER of Catholic churches have been torched and vandalized in the US as cops investigate whether this is linked to the ongoing statue protests.
Houses of worship are being burned after George Floyd's police custody death in Minneapolis on May 25, which sparked widespread outrage and anti-racism rallies.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cl4K5vdalpU
Nail. Head
Interesting post. I have also enjoyed a life of white privilage and am very aware of other white men who think I'm some sort of traitor, lefty cretin or member of a Trained Communist sect for sharing your view. They have already 'won' so why do they get so vexed about taking the knee? And why get so antsy when I deduce racism? Strange.