[News] Middle East conflict

[Seagull58]

If we're counting -Since October 7th to July 31 there were 8533 rocket/missile attacks across the border of which 82% of which were conducted by Israel. Resulting in 601 Lebanese deaths and 23 Israeli. Source www.acledata.com

This article quotes the Lebanese health ministry saying that the vast majority of deaths on the Lebanese side have been Hezbollah fighters. Also note that the Israeli attack "struck and destroyed thousands of Hezbollah rocket launchers barrels".
BTW your link is incorrect. It is acleddata with 2 "d"s.

Israel and Hezbollah exchange heavy fire in major escalation

Hezbollah says it fired hundreds of rockets after Israel says it launched pre-emptive strikes on Sunday morning.

www.bbc.com

 

[Wozza]

Can't stop thinking about this Tweet - and, in particular, the reply from a NEW YORKER...

 

[Eric the meek]

Are there Hezbollah apologists? That's sad. Theres lots of Israeli apologists here though as well. Both sides are aggressors so I guess their supporters want to defend them. In Ukraine, only one side is truly an aggressor, and there are basically no Russian apologists on that thread to argue with.

I'm not an Israeli apologist. Israel has a right to defend itself, just like Ukraine.

Who are these Israeli apologists you speak of?

 

[Eric the meek]

Just to stay on topic, your paragraph above could be re-written as:

A word on US (who back the extreme right wing State of Israel). They sell American made arms and armaments to Israel in the full knowledge that Israel will use them to kill Palestinians. Any Palestinians. It just depends where they happen to land.

The contortions you are getting into, to try and rescue your argument !

Just to remind you, you are commenting on a thread entitled 'Exploding pagers across Lebanon'. The pagers were being used by Hezbollah. Israel targeted Hezbollah, with very effective precision. It is a world away from the whataboutery you are trying.

 

[Eric the meek]

If we're counting -Since October 7th to July 31 there were 8533 rocket/missile attacks across the border of which 82% of which were conducted by Israel. Resulting in 601 Lebanese deaths and 23 Israeli. Source www.acledata.com

We weren't counting, but seeing as you are, the mismatch in number of deaths reveals that the Israeli defence forces are rather more effective then the terrorist Hezbollah.
As stated previously, Israel has a right to defend itself.

Frankly, I'm not quite sure what point you are failing to make. Are you expecting the number of deaths on both sides to be symmetrical? Wouldn't that prolong a war, with neither side ever getting the upper hand and lead to more deaths overall?

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Are there Hezbollah apologists? That's sad. Theres lots of Israeli apologists here though as well. Both sides are aggressors so I guess their supporters want to defend them. In Ukraine, only one side is truly an aggressor, and there are basically no Russian apologists on that thread to argue with.

Maybe I have them all on ignore but I don't recall any Israeli apologists or Hezbollah apologists.

I do recall many posters who have been critical of Israel, critical of Iran and their terrorist apparatchiks, and critical of both. Many people criticize Israel in one post and criticize the other side in another post.

In fact I don't even recall any Fawltyesque 'you started it - when you invaded Poland' style quips*.

It seems most of us recognize an awful mess when we see one, are realize that is going to take a massive bit of diplomatic ingenuity to unravel it all. With nothing remotely of that weft incoming.

And I don't think it helps to play 'are you going to condemn them?' top trumps.

*Edit apart from our @borat (see the reply post above) who I put on ignore some time in the late 1960s

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

The contortions you are getting into, to try and rescue your argument !

Just to remind you, you are commenting on a thread entitled 'Exploding pagers across Lebanon'. The pagers were being used by Hezbollah. Israel targeted Hezbollah, with very effective precision. It is a world away from the whataboutery you are trying.

Yep. Stepping back from my default position (that it is all very sad, and what can be done, oh dear, if only the Diaspora had never happened, and if only the Brits had relinquished Palestine in a more thoughtful manner, and if only the Israelis had not been so belligerent over the west bank, and if only the hitherto peaceful religion of Islam had not felt the need to invent the concept of a fatwa in an outpouring of desperation and anger during the last century, and if only the US had not backed all and every Israeli act whether legitimate defense or flagrantly illegal tomfoolery with unequivocal support, and so on), the wheeze with the pagers was quite..... elegant. There, I said it.

If only.....if only everything could have been completely....different.

 

[borat]

Note the UK abstains. Shameful

 

[Ⓩ-Ⓐ-Ⓜ-Ⓞ-Ⓡ-Ⓐ]

Spotted this in Hove this morning, think they may want to consider the name of their event

 

[Motogull]

I did not like this as a concept. If you want to snuff someone out, do it properly. Quickly and efficiently.

 

[wellquickwoody]

Israel is now officially expanding its military action into Lebanon. Telling civilians to move away from Hezbollah linked locations. Firstly, maybe not all people know where these are, and secondly there will be many who cannot move. This could be lack of accomodation or because of illness/relatives etc.. But Israel no doubt does not care about this.

Israel and Netanyahu’s government are beginning to look like the Fourth Reich.

Israel-Lebanon latest: Lebanon says 100 killed as Israel 'deepens' strikes on Hezbollah sites

The Israeli military says it is conducting extensive airstrikes on Hezbollah targets in Lebanon as cross-border attacks between the two sides continue to ratchet up.

www.bbc.com

 

[dsr-burnley]

Israel is now officially expanding its military action into Lebanon. Telling civilians to move away from Hezbollah linked locations. Firstly, maybe not all people know where these are, and secondly there will be many who cannot move. This could be lack of accomodation or because of illness/relatives etc.. But Israel no doubt does not care about this.

Israel and Netanyahu’s government are beginning to look like the Fourth Reich.

Israel-Lebanon latest: Lebanon says 100 killed as Israel 'deepens' strikes on Hezbollah sites

The Israeli military says it is conducting extensive airstrikes on Hezbollah targets in Lebanon as cross-border attacks between the two sides continue to ratchet up.

www.bbc.com

This is normal in war. There were loads of civilians killed in WW2 because they happened to be in the wrong place when the bomb dropped, but that didn't mean the UK was a Nazi country.

The best way to stop Israel fighting back against Lebanon/Hezbollah is for Lebanon/Hezbollah to stop making war on Israel.

 

[armchairclubber]

Authoritarian to say the least.

 

[borat]

Authoritarian to say the least.

She needs a new line. Vile individual

 

[Jackthelad]

492 people killed in Lebanon in a short space of time, staggering numbers. Lots of women & children in those numbers blown to bits. The bully boys foaming at the mouth bombing away and our leaders shrug their shoulders.

 

[armchairclubber]

 

[borat]

Rousing from US artist Macklemore

 

[nevergoagain]

10k UK citizens in Lebanon?, that seems very very high for a long time troubled country. Assume a large proportion are dual nationals but still seems incredibly high.

 

[:J)]

Israel slammed for sending 88 unidentifiable bodies of Palestinians to Gaza

Gaza authorities refuse to accept ‘inhumane’ shipment of bodies, saying Israel must provide data about their identities.

www.aljazeera.com

 

[A1X]