Superphil
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For Gods sake don't do it Britain. Aren't we in enough trouble internationally already? How about someone else take the lead for once, France, Germany, Italy, Spain, anyone? Why is always us? We can't afford it, we are broke 
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Here we go mongering war agin
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Dave the OAP
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we also haven't got any planes....nothing to launch these non existent planes from and our troops are currently being shot at in afghanistan....so yes this isva brilliant idea mr Cameron
philsussex
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Agree - don't want to get involved.
But any of those countries leading - can't see it. I mean the French?? What a joke!
Most of them are broke too.
But any of those countries leading - can't see it. I mean the French?? What a joke!
Most of them are broke too.
Sussex Nomad
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Can we just put in a cameo appearance with Capt. Manwaring and men? Get subbed after 30 mins and sit out the rest?
Lord Bracknell
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philsussex
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Naive question - why are we bothered about Libya? Do we get much of our oil from there?
Stumpy Tim
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There's certainly oil there. He is bombing his own people though, so I'm surprised there's people who don't agree with this
beorhthelm
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- Jul 21, 2003
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this would be a Tyhoon deployment, operating from bases in Italy, Turkey?. while we might lament their loss, Harriers and their carriers are not really suitable for this sort of operation.
Lord Bracknell
On fire
More than 85% of Libyan oil exports go to Europe. The rest go to Asia, Australia and the US.
In order of dependence:
Ireland - 14,000 barrels (23% of all oil imports)
Italy - 376,000 barrels (22% of all oil imports)
Austria - 31,000 barrels (21% of all oil imports)
Switzerland - 17,000 barrels (19% of all oil imports)
France - 205,000 barrels (16% of all oil imports)
Greece - 63,000 barrels (15% of all oil imports)
Spain - 136,000 barrels (12% of all oil imports)
Portugal - 27,000 barrels (11% of all oil imports)
UK - 95,000 barrels (9% of all oil imports)
Germany - 144,000 barrels (8% of all oil imports)
China - 150,000 barrels (3% of all oil imports)
Netherlands - 31,000 barrels (2% of all oil imports)
Australia - 11,000 barrels (2% of all oil imports)
USA - 51,000 barrels (0.5% of all oil imports)
(barrels = barrels per day)
CP 0 3 BHA
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If the Arab League are supportive (which they are), presumably some of their OPEC member nations would agree to step up production to cover any shortfall while this plays itself out?
philsussex
New member
Let Italy sort it out then. Sure that'd scare Gadaffi 
Lord Bracknell
On fire
Successfully invading Tripolitania and Cyrenaica (and then re-naming the country "Libya") is just about the only successful military venture the Italians have ever achieved, beyond their own borders.Let Italy sort it out then. Sure that'd scare Gadaffi
philsussex
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Definitely one for the Eye-ties then
glasfryn
cleaning up cat sick
the world in general has the right to try and stop a despot killing his own people, and this time the UN might have just got it right as the last time (Iraq) they allowed Saddam to kill off his own people (Marsh Arabs,Kurds and anyone else he or his sons did'nt like)
its a bit like saying it would be OK if England decided to attack and kill everybody on the Isle of Man
we are all human and if we are not careful we will end up wiping one another out.
its a bit like saying it would be OK if England decided to attack and kill everybody on the Isle of Man
we are all human and if we are not careful we will end up wiping one another out.
dingodan
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- Feb 16, 2011
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The arguments being made in support of military action are similar to those made by Gordon Brown defending Iraq. The international community has maintain its credibility by acting so that this "New World Order" we are trying to create is not put at risk.
I say its not our business, if we really want peace, justice and liberty throughout the world there is only one legitimate way to achieve that. To lead by example. And we dont.
I say its not our business, if we really want peace, justice and liberty throughout the world there is only one legitimate way to achieve that. To lead by example. And we dont.
ryeseagull
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This sounds like the sort of thing we ought to be doing.
Airstrikes are one thing; Invading Libya would be another thing entirely.
Airstrikes are one thing; Invading Libya would be another thing entirely.
BadFish
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- Oct 19, 2003
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The Romans were quite good!
Tyrone Biggums
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"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall one by one, an unpitied sacrifice in a contemptible struggle." - Edmund Burke
You have a very naive view of the world if you think sitting on ones hands and setting an example will free the world of tyranny.
Look what happened when Neville Chamberlain tried to appease the Germans. How many people died because of those actions?
dingodan
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To use that particular quote is to make afew assumptions. Are we "the good"? Are we in danger of "falling" if this situation is not dealt with militarily?
If we are truely against tyranny we could start by not selling weapons to dictators which they go on to use to kill their own people.
We cant espouse the virtues of peace, justice and liberty, while abondoning them wholesale ourselves.
We undermine exactly that which we claim to advocate.
"Wars are poor chisels for carving out peaceful tomorrows." - Martin Luther King
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Kumquat
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- Mar 2, 2009
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Great use of a quote. I said in 2003 that iraq was a war which would come back to haunt us and i meant in exactly this way. When a just cause for intervention came we'd blink because of the legacy of iraq. Its ridiculous. Never liked Cameron, but on this one he and Sarkozy are calling it right in my book.