- Jul 7, 2003
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Imagine if they made all these cuts in France, the entire country would grind to a halt and they'd be calling in le Army to sort things out.
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Government Spending Review.
- Thread starter Mellor 3 Ward 4
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If you want to pretend you are Gideon and implement the cuts you can do so here
http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/interactive/2010/oct/19/comprehensive-spending-review-cuts
http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/interactive/2010/oct/19/comprehensive-spending-review-cuts
We were sent this today...
According to information leaked to the BBC, TOMORROW'S Comprehensive Spending Review (Wednesday 20th) will announce that university funding is to be cut by almost 40%. A staggering 4.2b is to be taken away from the 11b HE budget: BBC News - Spending Review: Universities
This follows the Browne reports recommendations that students and their families replace the state as the principal source of funding for university teaching.
We are facing the wholesale privatization of the entire university system. If implemented, these plans will diminish the lives of all those who work or study in the sector. Courses will be scrapped, particularly non-priority subjects, and some schools and institutions will close. Thousands of jobs will be put at risk; the range of courses will shrink; access for disadvantaged candidates will worsen or be foreclosed completely. Universities will be engaged in permanent competition for survival. The sector will be disaggregated further into research-focussed institutions, teaching-only institutions, and a third tier of vocational institutions and liberal arts colleges.
A public degree will become a more expensive commodity in England than anywhere else in the world. Standards will no longer be measured in academic terms but according to market values, shaped by a rampant culture of auditing, rebranding and other arrant nonsense.
This year - at Leeds, Sussex, Kings, UCL and Westminster - UCU, Unison and the NUS have demonstrated that it is possible successfully to assert academic values and defend jobs in the face of financial cutbacks.
The impending cuts are four times greater than anticipated, and on a scale that will require a massive wave of protest if they are to be averted. This is the first local protest against the cuts, organised at short notice. Tomorrow (Wednesday at 1.00) there is a protest organised by students at Moulsecoomb, at the entrance to Mithras House. On Thursday there is a public sector workers protest through Brighton.
Uncle C
Well-known member
In the 60's only 5% of people went to university and the country's economic growth was strong.
Today 20% of people go on to university, so a reduction of this number will do no real harm to the economy.
Today 20% of people go on to university, so a reduction of this number will do no real harm to the economy.
But there has been a shift from manufacturing to services in this period which may require further education.
Oh come on be fair on the poor French, they are facing the possibility of having to work until they are 62 it's basically slave labour.
ITS EASY BLAME LIEBOUR AND THAT ONE EYED TWAT BROWN
Quite an achievement for Brown to not only be responsible for the recession here, but also those in the USA, Japan, Germany, Greece, Ireland, Iceland, Russia......
- Jul 7, 2003
- 47,498
Oh come on be fair on the poor French, they are facing the possibility of having to work until they are 62 it's basically slave labour.
Sometimes you do have to have a grudging admiration for the way they refuse to take anything lying down though, don't you?
They could cut all our salaries by 50% here and we'd just brush ourselves down, go "never mind dear, mustn't grumble, worse things happen at sea. Now what time's the Antiques Roadshow on?". We'd moan, but get on with it, apart from a few moody trade union and Socialist Worker marches.
At least the French appear to have a bit of balls about them. I bet the sheep population of Brittany and the Pas de Calais are looking nervous and coating themselves with fireproof wool-paint as we speak.
Obviously not advocating civil unrest, you understand
But there's no way they'd just sit back and let petrol prices rise like we have in recent years.
Uncle C
Well-known member
And that seems to be at the heart of the countries problems.
Really? But surely since your darling Maggie crushed the unions there should be ample opportunity for British manufacturing to shine, apart from poor management practices, low investment in R&D, a reluctance of employers to employ apprentices, and the sneering attitude of the City boys and their get quick rich schemes towards anyone interested in a career in science and engineering...
Uncle C
Well-known member
So why didn't it happen? Because youngsters took the easy option of going to university studying often totally irrelevant subjects.
But there were less courses, polytechnics and other third tier educational institutions that weren't uni's back in the 60's.
Now there is Uni or a laughable and expencive qualification such as an OCR Level 3/4 (I forget which) diploma.
We need third tier qualifications in all the areas offered, from vocational courses such as those offered at Southampton Solent (Maritime cources) to the liberal fine arts (but not job worthy) to the medicinal (speaks for its self) to the practicla such as computing (a job-specific) in order to keep our work force educated and keep our culture.
If we only have Uni's as the FE instittusions worth going to, then yes a higher precentage will go to Uni.
Also many jobs today require degree level courses (teaching and law jump out) that aren't offered in other institutions.
Also our economy relies more on Degree and degree level professions such as an emerging computing market, media exploitation and the like compared to before where there were readily avalible jobs in industry for those who left School, or for those who left college.
Can I ask what party you support?
Its never been clear (although I don't think its the tories!
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Can I ask what party you support?
Its never been clear (although I don't think its the tories!
I tend to look at issues rather than party politics.
Sometimes you do have to have a grudging admiration for the way they refuse to take anything lying down though, don't you?
They could cut all our salaries by 50% here and we'd just brush ourselves down, go "never mind dear, mustn't grumble, worse things happen at sea. Now what time's the Antiques Roadshow on?". We'd moan, but get on with it, apart from a few moody trade union and Socialist Worker marches.
At least the French appear to have a bit of balls about them. I bet the sheep population of Brittany and the Pas de Calais are looking nervous and coating themselves with fireproof wool-paint as we speak.
Obviously not advocating civil unrest, you understand
Have to agree with that.
I suppose I qualify as an 'old git' now,but when I was a student in the late 60's,it was the young people who went on protest marches about this that and the other.Later generations seem to have become rather indifferent and just accept what happens.....they have a moan and a whinge but don't seem to have an appetite for real protest anymore.Perhaps they had it too easy,but that may well be about to change!Can't say I would like to face the same problems as some of our young people are today.It isn't easy.
Were these youngsters behind the poor management practices, low R&D and demotion of science and engineering though?
When I went to Uni in 1980 I never knew that I had left such a legacy behind me in my behaviour at school.