Gordon Brown Labour Speech - Sickening

[drew]

Not sure what anyone was expecting from a leader's speech at party conference. The last one of any substance from any party leader was probably 20 or more years ago. I would no more expect Brown to see 'we have f...ed up bigtime' than I would expect Adams to have said 'ok I admit it, I keep playing Virgo out of position, I have no idea how to motivate the team and I haven't kept up to date with developing football tactics for the past five years' after Saturday's abysmal performance.

It's a party conference ffs - and US you are not invited to the party (not that you want to attend, in all probability).

Couldn't agree more. All conferences are the same, political grandstanding. Look at last year when the Tories were crying out for Labour to go to the polls when most of the political commentators were suggesting that wasn't really in the Tories best interest at the time.

 

[Buzzer]

Couldn't agree more. All conferences are the same, political grandstanding. Look at last year when the Tories were crying out for Labour to go to the polls when most of the political commentators were suggesting that wasn't really in the Tories best interest at the time.

Perhaps they had the courage of their convictions and Brown is a bottler.

 

[jakarta]

Watched it this afternoon from the Helideck Departure Room of a North Sea oil platform just before coming back onshore alongside about a dozen jocks and geordies, horny handed sons of toil and Labour voters to a man I would have said.

Never heard so much abuse being poured at the screen in my life - I wouldn't put my house on Labour getting back in if he gets that sort of reception from his 'mates'...

Not that I think much of Cameron. The two politicos in the UK who talk sense are Frank Field & Vince Cable - sadly neither will ever see power.

 

[Albion Dan]

THEY ARE ALL THE f***ing SAME. We have actually had a Tory government in all but name for the last 11 years and it looks like we are going to get the Tory government with the right name at the next election.

THis country is royally f***ed, there is no difference between the parties, in fact nobody even knows what the Tory party are even going to do in power because they havent even got a clue themselves.

All you lot banging the tory drum are pityfully deluded, I feel sorry for you, I really do, you honestly think there is going to be a difference, haha. UK politics are in a right old mess and there is no real viable alternative to the 2 pathetic excuses of our main parties who are too busy trying to sound good to the middle classes with bullshit and soundbytes to ever make any real policy changes that will really help this country change.

If I thought one of the parties would tackle the injustice at both ends of the socal spectrum they'd get my vote but neither of them will come close.

Gareth you are on the whole mostly pissed off becasue the arse has fallen out of your market, but this has happened almost entirley becasue of capitalist activities that would have been encouraged even more by the Tories, are you really too blind to see that?

 

[Billy the Fish]

This man is the one who spouted on for years about prudence and stopping the boom and bust, but meanwhile he was borrowing huge amounts of money and selling our gold, incidently for the lowest price known in years, and for what? To throw money at the NHS and most has been wasted, throw money at the lazy (mainly labour heartlands). He has bred an underclass within this country that have no intention of ever contributing to the nation. His spending has now come home to roost and this country is well in the shit. To spend such as he has you have raise money and all he has ever done is borrow.

Labour as always bfore has f***ed this country for many a year.

That is a good summary of how I feel about this government.

 

[Peteinblack]

New Labour's problem is that they've been trying to out-Tory the Tories in their worship of free markets in the last 11 years, and the belief that the private sector always has the answers (the railways and, in recent weeks, the banks have proved that the private sector can be just as s**t as the public sector).

As to Uncle Speilberg's claim that all our money goes on feckless single parents, my gripe is that far too much of our money is being filched from public services by dodgy private sector consultants and other such parasites - much of the billions 'invested' in the NHS has simply gone back out to the private sector, via Private Finance Initiaitives and other scams which mean that NHS Truts are bled try paying fees for the next 25 years to these private consortiums. The same applied to education.

Oh, and all these City wankers who've insisted for the last 11 years that New Labour must not interfere in 'the market' are now demanding that we bail them out with our taxes - the taxes that these parasites do their best to avoid paying with their bogus offshore accounts, etc.

Brown and New Labour or Cameron and the New Conservatives are two sides of the same coin, and will not make the slightest bit of difference to 'hard-working people' - we'll all be forced 'tighten our belts' to sort out the mess created by the short-termism and greed of unregulated big business.

Incidentlaly, Uncle S. - it was Nigel Lawson (Thatcher's Chancellor) who deregulated the banks and mortgage companies, claiming that competiton among lenders would benefit the public and the economy. We've now seen what utter bollocks that was !

New Labour ARE shite - but they're no different to the Tories.

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

I am a fair minded bloke but the whole Labour ethos is to support and provide for single mums and families who breed without a thought and because of their lack of planning they are broke and we have to pick up the tab.

Why the f*** should a family will kids get £ 700 for a computer and broadband, why the f*** should families with kids get free theatre tickets. What about the hard working people who have no kids and try to work damn hard to not have to rely on any state benefits. I have contributed for 30 years and not taken a single penny in state benefits.

Its all support the people with all their brats and f*** the hard working singletons.

you're a mortgage broker

 

[Westdene Seagull]

not todays speech, but i found Darlings position on doing something about the "city bonus culture" quite dispicable. first off, he's not doing anything, he batted it to the FSA. secondly they cant do anything as there's no power to do so. unless Labour are going to change the law to have a wage cap then theres nothing that can be done. and any simplton will realise that a wage cap will be easily circumvented. so just political grandstanding with f*** all substance.

Darling is a complete waste of space. I heard him on the radio at the weekend promising we would get through the current economic crisis. No shit Sherlock - of course we will. The world won't end - the country won't go bust - the markets will sort themselves and it will have nothing to do with anything Darling ( or any other politician ) does. It's just the natural way of things! God this Government have brought the country to it's knees

 

[seagullsovergrimsby]

Its fecking annoying to find out that this Government is planning to give away free computers and access to broadband worth £700 over a three year period to those considered too poor that they will be disadvantaged by a digital divide. This will be just another incentive not to work for a living but scrounge all the available benefits off the state. My pc cost £480 and Russ tried to claim a small part of the cost for doing his coursework at home , the college said NO. I work my bollocks off for a measly £6.03 an hour when the lazy twats signed off on Disability get a cushy number sitting at home watching TV. Cant wait for the Tories to get back into power and introduce a scheme similar to "workfare" that they have in the USA.

 

[Peteinblack]

THEY ARE ALL THE f***ing SAME. We have actually had a Tory government in all but name for the last 11 years and it looks like we are going to get the Tory government with the right name at the next election.

THis country is royally f***ed, there is no difference between the parties, in fact nobody even knows what the Tory party are even going to do in power because they havent even got a clue themselves.

All you lot banging the tory drum are pityfully deluded, I feel sorry for you, I really do, you honestly think there is going to be a difference, haha. UK politics are in a right old mess and there is no real viable alternative to the 2 pathetic excuses of our main parties who are too busy trying to sound good to the middle classes with bullshit and soundbytes to ever make any real policy changes that will really help this country change.

If I thought one of the parties would tackle the injustice at both ends of the socal spectrum they'd get my vote but neither of them will come close.

Gareth you are on the whole mostly pissed off becasue the arse has fallen out of your market, but this has happened almost entirley becasue of capitalist activities that would have been encouraged even more by the Tories, are you really too blind to see that?

Well said - does anyone really think Cameron and his chums will curb excessive salaries and pay-outs to these City boys?

It's the rampant free market which is out of control, and neither New Labour nor the Tories will tackle this.

 

[Peteinblack]

God this Government have brought the country to it's knees

How on earth is the Government responsible the reckless activities of currency speculators and irresponsible lending by banks?

I bet if the Government had intervened to stop these problems a year or two ago, you'd have been the first to complain abour New Labour meddling and interference?

You slag off the Government, but never say how you Tories would have stopped any of this happening.

 

[PILTDOWN MAN]

How on earth is the Government responsible the reckless activities of currency speculators and irresponsible lending by banks?

I bet if the Government had intervened to stop these problems a year or two ago, you'd have been the first to complain abour New Labour meddling and interference?

You slag off the Government, but never say how you Tories would have stopped any of this happening.

This government is responsible for reckless spending and borrowing when the the economy was good. Now the World has turned to shit we find the country is bankrupt. Its got nothing to do with banks etc. The government is responsible for looking after the public purse. Brown has really failed to do this. If he hadn't gone on a spending spree, giving money out to the unclean we might have had some to invest back in our economy now. All this country produces now is, hot air and this bastard is going to tax us for that soon

 

[Peteinblack]

This government is responsible for reckless spending and borrowing when the the economy was good. Now the World has turned to shit we find the country is bankrupt. Its got nothing to do with banks etc. The government is responsible for looking after the public purse. Brown has really failed to do this. If he hadn't gone on a spending spree, giving money out to the unclean we might have had some to invest back in our economy now. All this country produces now is, hot air and this bastard is going to tax us for that soon

The point is that nothing would have bene any different under the Tories; New Labour have been pursuing the same pro-free market, 'aren't rich people wonderful, we should love them' approach that Thatcher and Major pursued.

Of course it has a lot to do with the banks: the American banks engaged in irresponsible sub-prime lending, and when they started going under, ours invariably got caught in the downward spiral - that's a downside of globalisation and interlocking international economies

Our banks too - deregulated by the Tories in the late 1980s - have lent recklessly in their competitive short-term pursuit of more customers, and with bonuses in the City often linked to how many deals or customers the 'masters of the unverse' could sew-up, and have now begun collapsing like a pack of cards. And the cheeky bastards want us taxpayers to bail them out.

I'm not defending New Labour; I despise them, but primarily because their economic policies, and worship of big business and globalisation, makes them indistinguishable from the Tories.

If the Tories had been in power for the last 11 years, we would be facing exactly the same problems; the Tories would similarly have spent our money in good times, and told us that economic properity was here to stay, and insisted that 'the City' knew best, until the whole thing imploded, whereupon they'd be telling us - just as Darling is - that we need to brace ourselves for a bumpy ride.

I am genuinely astonished that anyone seriously believes that anything would be different under a free market Tory Party which loves 'the City'.

In the 1970s, it was the trade unions which were too powerful and brough the country to its knees. Today, it's big business and 'the square mile' which have been given too much power and freedom, and are calling the shots.

However, whereas Thatcher curbed union power, Cameron isn't going to do a thing to bring his City chums under control.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

I am a fair minded bloke but the whole Labour ethos is to support and provide for single mums and families who breed without a thought and because of their lack of planning they are broke and we have to pick up the tab.

Why the f*** should a family will kids get £ 700 for a computer and broadband, why the f*** should families with kids get free theatre tickets. What about the hard working people who have no kids and try to work damn hard to not have to rely on any state benefits. I have contributed for 30 years and not taken a single penny in state benefits.

Its all support the people with all their brats and f*** the hard working singletons.

Families with kids getting free theatre tickets might lead to children, and then adults, being a bit more broad minded or enlightened. Surely making for a better society?

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

This government is responsible for reckless spending and borrowing when the the economy was good. Now the World has turned to shit we find the country is bankrupt. Its got nothing to do with banks etc. The government is responsible for looking after the public purse. Brown has really failed to do this. If he hadn't gone on a spending spree, giving money out to the unclean we might have had some to invest back in our economy now. All this country produces now is, hot air and this bastard is going to tax us for that soon

? You're not making any sense here. In what way could the government put money back into the economy?

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

The whole Labour Ethos and maifesto is support the losers in Society. Sorry if that is not pc but its true.

Makes sense, as the winners dont need support.

 

[Buzzer]

Well said - does anyone really think Cameron and his chums will curb excessive salaries and pay-outs to these City boys?

It's the rampant free market which is out of control, and neither New Labour nor the Tories will tackle this.

Complete scollobs once again. What's out of control is public borrowing, taxation of the individual, inflation, the growth of the public sector, the invasiveness and bullying of this government, curtailment of basic British right to privacy and to live our lives how we want to live them.

Where do people begin to claim that this is not a SOCIALIST government?

Public sector has grown beyond recognition, taxation both directly and indirectly has shot through the roof, we have a Government so obsessed with central planning of our economy, our private lives and our health it's almost laughable if it wasn't so serious.

Tax, spend, tax, spend. It's all Gordon and his mob knows.

 

[El Presidente]

I'm a public sector employee, what's wrong with working there? Am I some sort of pariah on society?

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Complete scollobs once again. What's out of control is public borrowing, taxation of the individual, inflation, the growth of the public sector, the invasiveness and bullying of this government, curtailment of basic British right to privacy and to live our lives how we want to live them.

Where do people begin to claim that this is not a SOCIALIST government?

Public sector has grown beyond recognition, taxation both directly and indirectly has shot through the roof, we have a Government so obsessed with central planning of our economy, our private lives and our health it's almost laughable if it wasn't so serious.

Tax, spend, tax, spend. It's all Gordon and his mob knows.

We dont tax enough! Taxes are well low in this country. If there were higher taxes then nurses would get a decent wage, and trains might be better as well etc etc.

The trouble with the UK is most people want everything on the cheap.You want a better country, like most things, you have to pay for it.

Have a look at the income tax and VAT for the main players in western europe. Ours is less.

 

[zoogull]

Labour's inexorable slide to the right was a response to the policies of the Thatcher government.

The extremism of the 'me first' Thatcher years forced Labour to abandon true socialist principles to make themselves 'electable.'

Now we are reaping the rewards of this, as all parties look for ways to blame either each other or the global market. If we had a greater polarity between their policies we might have a greater choice when it comes to election time.

Unfortunately that isn't likely to happen. The health service, pensions, education and public services are gradually being squeezed by the constraints of a market economy where profit is the universal language.

Until we see a system where personal wealth is not the driving force, and where individuals are rewarded according to their contribution to society, this is likely to be the fare we are dished up with every five years. I'm not pretending that I have the answer, but the fact that many people find these ideals alien or unworkable shows that we still have a long way to go.