For Anyone Thinking Of Voting Conservative...

[GNF on Tour]

Why was Thatcher evil?

Go to Wiki and type in Battle of Orgreave, that will do for starters.

Its not so much the way she set about battling the Unions, its the way she did it. Same for the Printers and many more, was not much fun growing up during that time, all the news had for years was either the British police kicking the shit out of the British people, the Irish blowing up British people or just the British people tearing themselves apart.

Does anyone remember southern football fans waving twenties in the air at northern fans whose areas were riddled with mass redunancies, if you still think thats funny you will probably vote Tory this week.

Thanks Margaret, the scars are still healing.

 

[GNF on Tour]

You do talk some utter bollocks mate.

Thats rich coming from you, do you actually live on Planet Earth?

 

[Chicken Run]

"if you still think thats funny you will probably vote Tory this week".

I don't find It funny, neither then, or now, and I WILL be voting for the Tory Party candidate.

 

[User removed 4]

Thats rich coming from you, do you actually live on Planet Earth?

Yes, england to be precise, you should try it some time , instead of posting hackneyed old bollocks about rich tories mates blah blah blah

 

[Westdene Seagull]

PFI was introduced by Major.

And used by Brown to lumber us with debt for years to come by using it for our schools and hospitals.

 

[HampshireSeagulls]

Whilst we can go back (again) to the Miners' strike, we need to remember that these were unproductive businesses. Just because they were historically the centre of the community does not mean that you have to keep them running at a loss - it was cheaper to close them and import coal/coke. Union wage demands, Scargill and the flying pickets did not help matters, and whilst it cannot be argued that this was not devastating for the communities and people concerned, the police had a job to do in ensuring that the plants produced something. Orgreave was a mess on both sides - bricks being thrown, cars being set alight and baton charges taking place. Remember that photos showing people in helmets and behind shields charging "ordinary" people always look bad - even if most of those people had never set foot in that county before and were only there to agitate. Propping up failing activities does not make for a successful, profitable state - if we had continued pouring money down the pits just to keep communities, we would have ended up in this state years ago. Not nice to hear, but it's the truth.

 

[simmo]

Go to Wiki and type in Battle of Orgreave, that will do for starters.

Its not so much the way she set about battling the Unions, its the way she did it. Same for the Printers and many more, was not much fun growing up during that time, all the news had for years was either the British police kicking the shit out of the British people, the Irish blowing up British people or just the British people tearing themselves apart.

Does anyone remember southern football fans waving twenties in the air at northern fans whose areas were riddled with mass redunancies, if you still think thats funny you will probably vote Tory this week.

Thanks Margaret, the scars are still healing.

Why don't you go to Wiki and look up miners strike 1974, where the mining union brought down the democratically elected government of the day with their demands. The mining union, were making this country ungovernable, just one blooming union was making this country have power cuts for 2 days of the week. We were an international basket case (known as the sick man of Europe) and the unions led by the miners were making it so.

Scargill (the miners leader) desperately wanted a fight with Thatcher. He was an utter loon an out and out Communist/Socialist whom dreamed of revolution. He got his fight and fortunately for all of us he lost.

Oh what and we as Brighton football fans don't get any banter about being gay, it is football banter, don't lose any sleep over it, I don't.

Yes Thatcher left 20 years and Labour have been in power for the last 13. No time for Labour to put right the wrongs that they perceive.

 

[pork pie]

I can remember the Thatcher era and believe me, it was not nice.

What the f*** are you on? The Thatcher era was absolutely wonderfull - if you got your head down and worked. How many people now own their own house because she made it possible for nearly everyone to have that chance?

With new Labour, the only people to prosper are those who expect something for nothing in life.

 

[pork pie]

Why don't you go to Wiki and look up miners strike 1974, where the mining union brought down the democratically elected government of the day with their demands. The mining union, were making this country ungovernable, just one blooming union was making this country have power cuts for 2 days of the week. We were an international basket case (known as the sick man of Europe) and the unions led by the miners were making it so.

Scargill (the miners leader) desperately wanted a fight with Thatcher. He was an utter loon an out and out Communist/Socialist whom dreamed of revolution. He got his fight and fortunately for all of us he lost.

Oh what and we as Brighton football fans don't get any banter about being gay, it is football banter, don't lose any sleep over it, I don't.

Yes Thatcher left 20 years and Labour have been in power for the last 13. No time for Labour to put right the wrongs that they perceive.

 

[GNF on Tour]

Yes, england to be precise, you should try it some time , instead of posting hackneyed old bollocks about rich tories mates blah blah blah

You really are NSC's own village idiot. Your right, there really is no links to Conservative policy and slashing the public sector, what was I thinking!!!!!

 

[8ace]

Does anyone remember southern football fans waving twenties in the air at northern fans whose areas were riddled with mass redunancies, if you still think thats funny you will probably vote Tory this week.

Sign on, sign on, with a pen, in your hand...

 

[pork pie]

You really are NSC's own village idiot. Your right, there really is no links to Conservative policy and slashing the public sector, what was I thinking!!!!!

If you had an ounce on grey matter, you would be aware that the public sector has grown far too large and costly, and needs to be slashed.

Or are you too thick to understand this Country simply does not have the funds to pay for all the burocracy and nanny state mentality that new Labour have created?

 

[pork pie]

Sign on, sign on, with a pen, in your hand...

In your norther slums- you look in the dustbin for something to eat, you find a dead rat and you think it's a treat - in your northern slums!

 

[User removed 4]

You really are NSC's own village idiot. Your right, there really is no links to Conservative policy and slashing the public sector, what was I thinking!!!!!

You're the village idiot if you dont realise just how much shit this country is in with our deficit, of course there are links to conservative policy slashing our bloated and inefficient public sector, thank f*** they appreciate the scale of the problem,i'm just bored with cretins like you publishing absolute bollocks about 'rich tories mates' etc because they lack a plausible argument against it.

 

[GNF on Tour]

Why don't you go to Wiki and look up miners strike 1974, where the mining union brought down the democratically elected government of the day with their demands. The mining union, were making this country ungovernable, just one blooming union was making this country have power cuts for 2 days of the week. We were an international basket case (known as the sick man of Europe) and the unions led by the miners were making it so.

Scargill (the miners leader) desperately wanted a fight with Thatcher. He was an utter loon an out and out Communist/Socialist whom dreamed of revolution. He got his fight and fortunately for all of us he lost.

Oh what and we as Brighton football fans don't get any banter about being gay, it is football banter, don't lose any sleep over it, I don't.

Yes Thatcher left 20 years and Labour have been in power for the last 13. No time for Labour to put right the wrongs that they perceive.

If thats your idea of banter then fine, but even as an young teenager I felt pretty troubled by that, it was us and them and there was real hate there. The gay thing is no comparision.
As for 74, yeah maybe so but I don't think the outcome of that strike had the real devisive effect that the 80's strike had on the country, real divides occurred nationwide, it was horrible. That was the point of my post.
I don't think Scargill was a loon, he was an aggrsive socialist trade unionist, one mans loon another mans hero.

 

[HampshireSeagulls]

Half of these people still think we are fighting a bloody class war! Political groups no longer represent classes - focusing on "Tory toffs" just makes people look like idiots - as much as it would if we went on about Northern cloth-cap wearing Labour supporters who keep coal in the bath. Your "working class" are not the salt of the earth, your upper class are no longer moneyed aristos - get you head around that and then perhaps you can look at politics in a more objective manner. With fat boy Prescott angling for a peerage, perhaps you should be dragging your views into the 21st Century!

 

[pork pie]

If thats your idea of banter then fine, but even as an young teenager I felt pretty troubled by that, it was us and them and there was real hate there. The gay thing is no comparision.
As for 74, yeah maybe so but I don't think the outcome of that strike had the real devisive effect that the 80's strike had on the country, real divides occurred nationwide, it was horrible. That was the point of my post.
I don't think Scargill was a loon, he was an aggrsive socialist trade unionist, one mans loon another mans hero.

Idiot alert! He will be praising Red Robbo next!

 

[User removed 4]

Idiot alert! He will be praising Red Robbo next!

Now that name is a blast from the past!

 

[GNF on Tour]

Whilst we can go back (again) to the Miners' strike, we need to remember that these were unproductive businesses. Just because they were historically the centre of the community does not mean that you have to keep them running at a loss - it was cheaper to close them and import coal/coke. Union wage demands, Scargill and the flying pickets did not help matters, and whilst it cannot be argued that this was not devastating for the communities and people concerned, the police had a job to do in ensuring that the plants produced something. Orgreave was a mess on both sides - bricks being thrown, cars being set alight and baton charges taking place. Remember that photos showing people in helmets and behind shields charging "ordinary" people always look bad - even if most of those people had never set foot in that county before and were only there to agitate. Propping up failing activities does not make for a successful, profitable state - if we had continued pouring money down the pits just to keep communities, we would have ended up in this state years ago. Not nice to hear, but it's the truth.

I'm not defending the economics of producing coal in the mid-eighties, I'm sure your right. My point was about the way in which the unions were battered by the state into submission using our police force in the way Orgreave and other places can testify too.
Its just my opinion like, it scarred the memory at the time, I was just left thinking how can a leader of a civilised country to this to the people she represents, it was not my vision of leadership.

 

[HampshireSeagulls]

If thats your idea of banter then fine, but even as an young teenager I felt pretty troubled by that, it was us and them and there was real hate there. The gay thing is no comparision.
As for 74, yeah maybe so but I don't think the outcome of that strike had the real devisive effect that the 80's strike had on the country, real divides occurred nationwide, it was horrible. That was the point of my post.
I don't think Scargill was a loon, he was an aggrsive socialist trade unionist, one mans loon another mans hero.

Good old Arthur - the only Communist left. Despite Russia finally realising that Communism doesn't actually work, Arthur believes it could. But only if we don't let people actually vote - remember that he took the miners to a strike without ballot.