Did Jesus Die?

[Biscuit]

"Occam's Razor, the basic scientific principle. And it says... all things being equal, the simplest explanation tends to be the right one........
So what's more likely ...that an all-powerful mysterious god created the universe and then decided not to give any proof of its existence, or that it simply doesn't exist at all, and that we created him so that we wouldn't have to feel so small and alone?"

Nail. Head.

Man created God.

 

[goldstone]

"Occam's Razor, the basic scientific principle. And it says... all things being equal, the simplest explanation tends to be the right one........
So what's more likely ...that an all-powerful mysterious god created the universe and then decided not to give any proof of its existence, or that it simply doesn't exist at all, and that we created him so that we wouldn't have to feel so small and alone?"

Nail. Head.

Man created God.

Biscuit is 100% correct ....

God is a figment of man's imagination.

 

[coventrygull]

"Occam's Razor, the basic scientific principle. And it says... all things being equal, the simplest explanation tends to be the right one........
So what's more likely ...that an all-powerful mysterious god created the universe and then decided not to give any proof of its existence, or that it simply doesn't exist at all, and that we created him so that we wouldn't have to feel so small and alone?"

Nail. Head.

Man created God.

eh how much evidence of a god do you need. Have a good look at the universe

Its like the scientist that is told that a rose is beautiful. To find the beauty he disects it and comes to the conclusion that there is no beauty as he can't find it.

 

[The Large One]

Catholics form Da Vinci film team

Leading UK Catholics and members of Opus Dei have formed a group to respond to the negative impact the Da Vinci Code film is expected to bring.
The Da Vinci Code Response Group, which also includes a Benedictine abbot and two priests, has condemned Dan Brown's book as "fiction trading as fact". The group criticised its "damaging and grotesque" account of their faith.

The comments come just weeks before the film version of the novel, starring Tom Hanks, is due to be released. The book, which has sold 40 millions copies worldwide, has been attacked for portraying the Catholic Church as a shadowy organisation that has spent 2,000 years covering up Christ's bloodline.

The response group is being co-ordinated by Austen Ivereigh, the director for public affairs of Cardinal Cormac Murphy-O'Connor, the Archbishop of Westminster and head of the Catholic Church in England and Wales. In a statement the group said: "We believe the Da Vinci Code is fun and harmless in so far as it is treated as fiction. We do not believe in condemnations, boycotts or protests. Prickliness on the part of Christians leads us into the trap laid by Dan Brown - that the church is on the defensive because it is engaged in a cover-up.

"But we are also exasperated that many people without a good understanding of the Catholic Church and its history have been understandably deceived by Dan Brown's claim that the Da Vinci Code is based on facts and respectable theories. That deception is likely to be reinforced by the film because images are much more powerful than words."

Opus Dei, a conservative Catholic group with 86,000 members worldwide, are particularly angry about their order being portrayed as murderous and power-crazed. The organisation has arranged special information evenings in London for the public and has asked Sony Pictures, which produced the new film, to include a caption explaining the film is fiction. Sony has previously declined to reveal whether the film would carry such a disclaimer.

Opus Dei's communications director Jack Valero said he believed it was important to make it clear. "The book is obviously trying to present fictional things as factual, and trying to deceive people in that way," he said. "That's why Opus Dei asked for a disclaimer at the beginning of the film just to say this is pure fiction, and then that's fine, you can say what you like. But if you're trying to get people to believe it's fact when in fact it's fiction, then that's cheating really."

The film will premiere on 17 May at the Cannes Film Festival before going on general release worldwide on 19 May.


Anyone think of another tome or collection of tomes that might refer to?

 

[Citrus in Sheffield]

Wait for the anti-Catholic brigade...

 

[British Bulldog]

Of course he died. the Bible say's so.

There's enough people died over religion in the past.

Why re-write it & start all over again?

 

[dougdeep]

If he lived, he died. End of.

 

[Dandyman]

Wait for the anti-Catholic brigade...

Ok, then...

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/10/01/world/main523928.shtml

or to put it simply, Opus Dei = Fascist scum.

 

[Half Time Pies]

"Occam's Razor, the basic scientific principle. And it says... all things being equal, the simplest explanation tends to be the right one........
So what's more likely ...that an all-powerful mysterious god created the universe and then decided not to give any proof of its existence, or that it simply doesn't exist at all, and that we created him so that we wouldn't have to feel so small and alone?"

Nail. Head.

Man created God.

I agree that when you consider all the scientific evidence it is unlikely that Mans perception of what God is as told in the Old testament is true however in my opinion this does not exclude the fact that ultimately there may well be a divine creater.

If you look around you is it really more believable that this was all created by chance or that there was some kind of intelligent design involved? I mean think about the complexity of you own Human Existence - To read this sentence, several million neurons in your cerebral cortex had to form an instantaneous pattern that is completely original and has never appeared before in your life - When someone speaks to you air molecules cause your ear drum to quiver no differently than from a cymbal being hit with a stick, yet you hear a voice that recognize speaking words that you understand.

Scientists have recreated simulations of the Big Bang in the laboratory and worked out that the chances of this universe as we know it (cable of supporting Human Life) being formed from a single Big Bang are several Trillion to One. Therefore even if you believe this theory so many questions remain to the story of our creation that it is unlikely that we will ever uncover the truth.

 

[coventrygull]

Ok, then...

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/10/01/world/main523928.shtml

or to put it simply, Opus Dei = Fascist scum.

I don't know about just Opus Dei having fascist sympathies. The Catholic Church in general have but then it is hardly surprising because if you look at the catholic church in a way it is a fascist organisation. Throughout its history it has tortured and murdered thousands who disagreed .I bet you they are really upset they can't burn Dan brown

 

[The Large One]

I agree that when you consider all the scientific evidence it is unlikely that Mans perception of what God is as told in the Old testament is true however in my opinion this does not exclude the fact that ultimately there may well be a divine creater.

If you look around you is it really more believable that this was all created by chance or that there was some kind of intelligent design involved? I mean think about the complexity of you own Human Existence - To read this sentence, several million neurons in your cerebral cortex had to form an instantaneous pattern that is completely original and has never appeared before in your life - When someone speaks to you air molecules cause your ear drum to quiver no differently than from a cymbal being hit with a stick, yet you hear a voice that recognize speaking words that you understand.

Scientists have recreated simulations of the Big Bang in the laboratory and worked out that the chances of this universe as we know it (cable of supporting Human Life) being formed from a single Big Bang are several Trillion to One. Therefore even if you believe this theory so many questions remain to the story of our creation that it is unlikely that we will ever uncover the truth.

Doesn't necessarily follow that there was a Divine Creator though.

 

[The Large One]

If he lived, he died. End of.

I think the director of the film wanted to call it something else, like 'Did Jesus Die on The Cross?', but for some reason, he didn't.

 

[Gully]

I prefer the big bang and evolutionary theory, if there had been a divine creator then something would have to have existed to create him/her. It is a bit like saying that the universe is finite in size because you could get to the end, but there would always be something beyond that.

 

[Half Time Pies]

Doesn't necessarily follow that there was a Divine Creator though.

No but what does follow is that the possibility remains. Its no more or less believable than any other current Theory.

 

[Gully]

...oh, if Jesus didn't die, where is he now...in a quiet little old folks home in Bexhill?

 

[Citrus in Sheffield]

Ok, then...

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/10/01/world/main523928.shtml

or to put it simply, Opus Dei = Fascist scum.

That is like comparing all Muslims to the extremist sects.

 

[Gilliver's Travels]

eh how much evidence of a god do you need. Have a good look at the universe

So, tsunamis that kill 300,000 innocent people, child deaths from cancer, the appendix and men's nipples... can they be counted as evidence too?

 

[Half Time Pies]

So, tsunamis that kill 300,000 innocent people, child deaths from cancer, the appendix and men's nipples... can they be counted as evidence too?

The fact that the design is imperfect doesnt prove that there is no designer.

 

[Half Time Pies]

I prefer the big bang and evolutionary theory, if there had been a divine creator then something would have to have existed to create him/her. It is a bit like saying that the universe is finite in size because you could get to the end, but there would always be something beyond that.

Yes but using the same argument you can see that the Big Bang and evolutionary Theory do not provide us with the answers. What was before the Big Bang and so on........? The truth is that you cannot exclude any possibility.

 

[Gully]

I guess it is one of those things that we will never know, I just see the intelligent design theory as a cop out from religious people who are trying to cover up the holes in the theories laid down in their religious texts, a kind of admission that even they don't believe one entity could have created everything.