Half Time Pies
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This won't happen as then there would be demands for a further referendum except this time the out campaign would have the upper hand.
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David has only gone and done it!
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This won't happen as then there would be demands for a further referendum except this time the out campaign would have the upper hand.
So you'll be voting to stay in now, will you?
Some of the many reasons that I will be definitely be voting NO. We joined a common market. Now it's a behemoth. For example, how could the cost of 200 million euros a year for the second parliament in Strasbourg ever have been justified? Now, finally, they're talking of scrapping it, but apparently the decision is likely to be vetoed by the French. This is just one example of an organisation that throws money around as though it grows on trees .... and the sad thing is a chunk of it is OUR money.
what are some of you on?
let me know
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his own party will rip him apart
Gove is already waiting round the corner with his sharpened knife
bye dave
My thoughts entirely. I can only assume this is a satirical thread. Just listened to how he has persuaded the EU that we cannot let in any more folk from Poland etc., that nobody who comes here and doesn't work is entitled to social security, that folk cannot claim for kids living back in their homeland, that we will no longer be paying 50 million a day to keep unelected folk well paid to dictate directives at us . . . . oh . . . . hang on . . . .
There is no way in the life time of this parliament that another referendum will be held. If what I've suggested happens the Tory party will rip itself apart before the next general election, Labour will change their leader and win. Labour will never offer a referendum - there's 9 years off the bat for us to be stuck with the EU and it's plans as they are today ( or more exactly, yesterday ).
Even if you consider the deal to be a good one ( I don't ) then surely there can only be a vote once each country has actually ratified the deal just to make sure it goes through. Otherwise we're voting on an EU promise - something they're not known for keeping.
Kalimantan Gull
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Demographics. There are fewer people entering the workforce each year than the previous year, but more people in the country needing to be looked after by the NHS, and so on.
There is also boon in job creation. Britain created 70,000 jobs a month at the start of 2015 - so 840,000 new jobs a year. 20 years earlier in 1995, 730,000 babies were born - ergo a shortfall in the indigenous UK workforce (and that difference doesn't take into account people retiring, dying, emigrating and women leaving the workforce to have children).
Therefore, if we want to fill these jobs we need immigration.
I prefer EU migration which, compared to most non-EU migration, has much less impact on our culture, includes both skilled and unskilled workers, and has far less of a burden on social housing and out-of-work benefits.
well done dave
Seems like a lot of UKIP lovers are hating this. funny that lol
I'm a not a UKIP lover, but I am laughing at it, not loving it
I guess moderate tories who feel best when they hear the warm burble of 'here here' following the presentation of each and every little piece of paper (vide Chamberlain) are thrilled to bits to here Cameron say 'I return in triumph'. But do look more closeley . . . . there, see . . . someone has ripped him a second ********!
But surely a large part of the problem of more people who need looking after by the NHS is too many immigrants, as well as health tourists. So we need immigrants to fill vacancies in the NHS and the vacancies are caused by .... immigration.
Maybe, just maybe a solution is to put a stop to immigration and train British people to fill the NHS vacancies. Makes sense to me. And also addresses the problem that our island is FULL. Try driving the M25 and you'll know what I mean.
On these very pages, the Conservative / LibDem government was mooted as being brilliant for the left. The two parties would tear each other apart, they'd not last a full term and the Tories would be out of government again for a very, very long time. How did that work out?
Fascinating but sadly predictable how some people on here seem completely incapable of detaching and escaping their narrow domestic political bias. I need to see and better understand the detail of this "deal" before I decide. My fear is that it will be so much flim-flam and the EU will have demonstrated a complete inability to reform or change in any meaningful way when given the opportunity to do so. The larger the EU becomes the less likely this is to happen and the question is whether an un-reformed, incapable, unfit for purpose, unwieldy, expanding, undemocratic EU is a club that is still worth belonging to or whether we would be better off jumping into the abyss. Feels a bit like we're caught between a rock and a hard place to me!!
Half Time Pies
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A referendum won't need to happen as this deal will be ratified. The fact is that no country in the EU wants the UK to leave and the deal has the support of the main power Germany.
The fact is that his deal was sewn up when it was first mentioned by Cameron and before all this political posturing took place. In theory of course a country could change its mind but in practice this would have bigger implications for the EU and its ability to make decisions as a unified entity than it would for the conservative party which have undertaken negotiations and received guarantees from all states in good faith.
Read your history. In the North in the 50s the locals would not work nights in the mills. So the minister in charge had a bright ideal - let's recruit people from the colonies. This is the reason for the concentration of Asians in parts of Lancashire. And who was the minister who had this great Idea? Enoch Powell. Look him up.
The reason Ken, where I live, is full of migrant fruit pickers from East Europe, and has been for at least 15 years, is because the locals will not do the work. Simple.
This is the reason for almost all immigration - a pact between folk seeking work and folk needing workers
Ernest
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Read your history. In the North in the 50s the locals would not work nights in the mills. So the minister in charge had a bright ideal - let's recruit people from the colonies. This is the reason for the concentration of Asians in parts of Lancashire. And who was the minister who had this great Idea? Enoch Powell. Look him up.
The reason Ken, where I live, is full of migrant fruit pickers from East Europe, and has been for at least 15 years, is because the locals will not do the work. Simple.
This is the reason for almost all immigration - a pact between folk seeking work and folk needing workers
People wouldn't work as bus drivers or on the railways and they recruited in the colonies to fill the vacancies
gregbrighton
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It's not the immigrants that need looking after, it's our aging, increasingly geriatric population requiring more resources and care. Together with the acute shortage of doctors, specialists and nurses in this country we rely on recruitment of staff from abroad to fill the vacancies.
You ask why don't we recruit and train British people? Unfortunately, this government because of pay freezes, general vilification and cutting of public workers and services is putting many people off training and those who do qualify don't stay long enough, choosing alternative career paths.
Complete nonsense. Twenty years ago, when I used to shop in Sainsbury, Nine Elms, London, 99% of the shoppers were white, and 100% of the women working the tills were black. I suppose you think the latter were stealing jobs from the former
. If you oppose immigration because you don't want foreigners near you, be honest about it. Perverting the laws of mathematics to justify yourself is ludicrous.
sir albion
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Of course we need migration and this will continue,but at least we can control who and how many we want to come here.At the moment we're getting mostly unskilled Europeans and also migrants from the commonwealth
and the rest of the world.
I agree the non eu migrants are a big issue.
sir albion
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Don't be daft as this won't change the views of the outers and rightly so...
These caps and delays in benefits are not good enough and it's just a way of fooling the public as the EU will drum up a similar law in time and we'll be back to square one again.
Having to wait til 2020 for one and a break for 7 years for another sums it up as something just to sweeten up the public.
The EU don't want us to leave as we're just a cash cow they can boss around and that's why they've agreed to these minuscule demands from Cameron.
People want us to have our laws and to control our borders
Hampster Gull
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Ageing population, baby boom post war. Someone will need to work to pay for the NHS. Immigrants are part of that. Or everyone in uk needs to have more kids, quickly
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Kalimantan Gull
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EU immigrants are primarily young healthy members of the workforce, they're not the ones filling the hospitals. So, no, the vacancies in the NHS are not caused by immigration.
The second part goes back to the maths of my original post, there aren't enough people in Britain to fill all the jobs.
As for the overcrowding in the southeast, are we sure thats because of immigration? Are you sure its not because of British people moving to the southeast from other parts of the country because our economy is concentrated here?