Brighton hooliwankers

[HampshireSeagulls]

I agree that smashing up the pub was totally out of order, and that if they want to have a fight in a field then let them be, but you still wouldn't say it to there faces

Er - yep, I probably would. But then again you don't know me.....

 

[Bwian]

I agree that smashing up the pub was totally out of order, and that if they want to have a fight in a field then let them be, but you still wouldn't say it to there faces

No sensible person would either-they're a group of moronic thugs-what are we supposed to want to say to their faces?

edit:

Of course I meant to say that they're thoroughly decent chaps who just got a little boisterous.

 

[Lander]

Er - yep, I probably would. But then again you don't know me.....

I'm not doubting you one bit

 

[London Irish]

I agree that smashing up the pub was totally out of order, and that if they want to have a fight in a field then let them be, but you still wouldn't say it to there faces

I wouldn't say anything to the faces of anyone mentally unstable enough to be convicted of aggravated violence. But guess what, the chances of me having a chat with them in the burger queue at an away game are now a little remote

 

[Lander]

No sensible person would either-they're a group of moronic thugs-what are we supposed to want to say to their faces?

edit:

Of course I meant to say that they're thoroughly decent chaps who just got a little boisterous.

Say nothing just let them be IF they are only smashing other hooligans up let them be

but i do agree that they shudn't smash up public places

 

[HampshireSeagulls]

No sensible person would either-they're a group of moronic thugs-what are we supposed to want to say to their faces?

I think I could probably explain what morons they have been, and how the younger ones have now screwed up their lives by having a conviction for violence which will stop them from getting more jobs than they can imagine. How they will always be associated with the middle-aged idiots who chose to attack a pub of people who were not related to the match, and were hardly a "firm". How they looked when compared to the fool who threatened to assault a cameraman, and how they came across as total saddoes. How they dragged the club onto the front pages for the wrong reasons after we beat Palace, and then got our new ground approved. About how they terrified the people in that pub, caused £6K of damage to a business, plus associated insurance costs, loss of trade, etc.

And all because they couldn't act like adults.

 

[Lander]

The "BYF" are the most stupid as i went to school with so called members and they are jus ruining their lives, which is there fault at the end of the day

 

[London Irish]

Er - yep, I probably would. But then again you don't know me.....

*makes a mental note never to spout Guardian-reader tosh to Hampshire Seagulls' face *

 

[Cheeky Monkey]

yes one of them is a great friend of mine and has spent the majority of his adolescent life supporting the Albion all over. Do you know what he pleaded guilty for?

i doubt it, if you dont know the facts then dont point the finger.

Read my postS on the thread PROPERLY before getting precious and jumping to the wrong conclusion. If you don't know what you're talking about then don't point the finger.

 

[HampshireSeagulls]

*makes a mental note never to spout Guardian-reader tosh to Hampshire Seagulls' face *

Now, this makes me sound as bad as them, which is not the case at all. Outside of the zone where violence is expected or encouraged, you would be hard pressed to even find me clench my fists or raise my voice. I am extremely laid back and slow to lose my temper. Violence is the last resort of someone who is not quick-witted enough to survive by defusing a situation through mediation.

When I am pushed, then I can be a little bit nasty, but because of what I know I am capable of, I try and avoid those situations, or to get away from them as quickly as possible. If I could run faster, then I would avoid every situation!

 

[London Irish]

Now, this makes me sound as bad as them, which is not the case at all. Outside of the zone where violence is expected or encouraged, you would be hard pressed to even find me clench my fists or raise my voice. I am extremely laid back and slow to lose my temper. Violence is the last resort of someone who is not quick-witted enough to survive by defusing a situation through mediation.

When I am pushed, then I can be a little bit nasty, but because of what I know I am capable of, I try and avoid those situations, or to get away from them as quickly as possible. If I could run faster, then I would avoid every situation!

I'm willing to bet I could run away faster than you - I haven't lost any of my schoolboy sprinter grace

 

[Caveman]

I think the jail sentences handed out are a bit strong, I personally hope they don’t have to spend the full time in prison, but are changed by the events on that evening. I think there was a mixture of real troublemakers and people that were mislead by mates. A couple of the group had chairs thrown at them and then threw them back, if that warrants 15-18 months in jail then we need to hang some people in West Street on a Saturday night.

A sorry state. I'm sure the Leeds fans were not as innocent as everyone seems to think and I hope they get a prison sentence too. If it was pre-organised how did the "Brighton fans" know where the "Leeds fans" were drinking in that pub? A lot of unanswered questions??

Don’t get me wrong what they did was a disgrace, but I think the way "some" have been made scapegoats is not right.

 

[Caveman]

When I am pushed, then I can be a little bit nasty, but because of what I know I am capable of, I try and avoid

Arnie?

 

[HampshireSeagulls]

Arnie?

Nah - it's the embarassment of turning green and all my clothes splitting. Can be a right bugger for getting home afterwards.....

 

[Caveman]

embarassment of turning green and all my clothes splitting.

That makes you sound like an overweight pot smoker

 

[bigc]

I knew Richie.

I remember him going to alot of games...admittely totally wasted by then. but that was never a crime!

This has been dragging on for a year, and I remember seeing the paper today and thinking..f***...i used to know him!

it had been so long I thought he'd be ok.

 

[The Keeper]

The view that extra years has been added to their sentence because of football is paranoid rubbish,

Sorry I disagree, I know of a Cardiff fan who was walking to the pub after a match and got into a fight. No conspiracy to cause violence, he was just on his way to the pub. He was provoked by the other group and attacked them.

He got 18 months and the judge said because it was classed at football related disorder he had to give the harshest penalty possible.

Also a West Ham fan got 12 months for throwing a traffic cone at some Cardiff fans a year or two ago.

Both sets of fans were being escorted to the tube, hardly premeditated is it.

 

[Brovion]

Life is full of moral choices, your mate made a wrong one and has to pay the price of what, with remission, might not even end up a year in jail for terrorising innoncent people that night.

The view that extra years has been added to their sentence because of football is paranoid rubbish, as Edna suggests it is the conspiracy element that aggravated their violence. Aggravated circumstances gets you extra time, that's the law. If they did it for football hoolie reasons, or because of a fued over something else, would make bugger all difference - the planning and conspiracy element gets you hammered in so many parts of the law, which rightfully penalises malice aforethought far more heavily than an accidental chain of circumstances leading to violence.

I'm delighted that these sentences have got front-page headlines in the Argus because hopefully many other people, many other young impressionable people like fourthteamtillidie's mate, will now realise what happens when you make these choices in life. If you make them, don't whinge about the consequences. And if you're a real mate of someone, you stop them doing this shit rather than egging them on.

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[The Keeper]

You are kind of missing the point here - the pub they attacked was not a Leeds hardcore pub - it was a normal pub with normal people and Leeds fans in it - they took the fight to people that had no attachment to their little game.

And you know that do you ?

 

[CHAPPERS]

I'm sure the Leeds fans were not as innocent as everyone seems to think and I hope they get a prison sentence too. If it was pre-organised how did the "Brighton fans" know where the "Leeds fans" were drinking in that pub? A lot of unanswered questions??

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The Albion fans were said to be in the Sussex and Leeds in the Pumphouse which is about 30 seconds walk away. They may have just spotted them in there and gone to start something as they were pissed.

I wonder if anyone is getting charged for the fights on West Street the same evening, weren't there 'football related' fights there too?