Bnp win Euro seat.

[kalinski]

oh please , not everyone in the uk celebrated june the 6th or even knows what happened in 1944

what? i meant that the day that we remember start of the defeat of fascism, we see a rise in the support for the right extremists. that is the link doughnut

 

[User removed 4]

Just got back from a trip to Jordan. the capital city and plenty of other towns and villages have Churches.

are they coptic christian churches ? there is a large coptic church on davigdor rd.

 

[king Wombat]

Get the white, lazy, benefit-hungry Brits back to work, and off the dole, then perhaps we wouldn't need to import labour in such quantities.[/QUOTE]

Simplistic bullshit that you should be fvcking ashamed of - in case you hadnt noticed we are in the middle of a severe recession!!

How about the FACT that in many areas there are no fvcking jobs?
How about the FACT that the jobs that might be available are very poorly paid?
How about the FACT that cheap foreign labour drives down labour costs generally making even those available jobs less attractive?

The vast, vast majority of British people just want a decent job with decent pay to secure a decent standard of living - successive post-war governments have consistently failed to deliver this as the gap between rich and poor grows ever wider, even under this 'socialist' government!!

That's why people vote BNP!

yes but that's not actually true is it.
1. there are jobs around, and by law the vast majority of people are entitled to minimum wage.

2. the benefit system is far too easy for people, for example the ex singer in my band constantly bleated on about not being able to get a job, but made virtually no effort to get one. there were driving jobs and a few factories around that he could have walked into no problem.
He'd been unemployed for over a year, but got enough benefits to live reasonably comfortably. He constantly complained about how he was soo cold in the winter - he could have easily got a job at that time. He also had kids and personally i thought he was an absolute disgrace as he could have provided for them a much better life, but simply couldn't be arsed.

3. The truth is that because people can live just about ok on the dole, the prospect of going to work for an extra £50-£100 week isn't attractive enough to get them out of their pits. Personally I think that's wrong, and I think people should be far more responsible for providing for themselves unless they real reasons that they can't.


I have never voted for any party further to the right than labour by the way.. I just hate the fact that weak people like to blame everyone apart from themselves for their weaknesses.

If you want to believe all that BNP bullshit then that is up to you, it is a free country and you can delude yourself that voting for the BNP is the right thing to do.

 

[Common as Mook]

are they coptic christian churches ? there is a large coptic church on davigdor rd.

Don't know enough about the different strains of Christianity.

All I know is that I went through a Christian village which had 4 churches and one mosque. Amman (the capital has loads) as does Aqaba (2nd city) in the south.

Saudia Arabia is a bad example. A large proportion of the Middle East is tolerant and Christian friendly. After all, Jesus is a prophet in the Koran.

 

[Mellotron]

It looked like a great carnival atmosphere - with lots of kids wearing part-England, part-Pakistan gear.

Shh! You're exposing BNP policies as absolute rubbish.

THEY DONT WANT TO INTEGRATE REMEMBER?!?!

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

what? i meant that the day that we remember start of the defeat of fascism, we see a rise in the support for the right extremists. that is the link doughnut

tell you what , change the L in your user name to a M

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

Get the white, lazy, benefit-hungry Brits back to work, and off the dole, then perhaps we wouldn't need to import labour in such quantities.[/QUOTE]

Simplistic bullshit that you should be fvcking ashamed of - in case you hadnt noticed we are in the middle of a severe recession!!

How about the FACT that in many areas there are no fvcking jobs?
How about the FACT that the jobs that might be available are very poorly paid?
How about the FACT that cheap foreign labour drives down labour costs generally making even those available jobs less attractive?

The vast, vast majority of British people just want a decent job with decent pay to secure a decent standard of living - successive post-war governments have consistently failed to deliver this as the gap between rich and poor grows ever wider, even under this 'socialist' government!!

That's why people vote BNP!

nice one BB, thats gone straight over the gutless wonders heads on here

 

[User removed 4]

Shh! You're exposing BNP policies as absolute rubbish.

THEY DONT WANT TO INTEGRATE REMEMBER?!?!

what actual experience do you have of living in an area whuch has a large muslim population ? seriously, im interested , if you do have experience i'd like to know how you arrive at the decision that they want to integrate.

 

[cunning fergus]

What's f***ed up is that you seem so bloody well upset by it. SFW. What is the big deal. Can you not get on with your life without concerning yourself with how other people live theirs.

I'm a 41year old white male that has lived in East London and brighton, both hotbeds of 'minority' populations and have so far managed to retain my own identity without becoming a bitter and twisted bigot, how is that possible. Surely the eastern europeans, muslims, other assorted ethincs and gays should ruined my life by now, but apparently they haven't, how is that possible?.

FFS live and let live.

This country is over 90per cent white and some people are searching for division everywhere they look.

Some of the posts on here this week have been really f***ing depressing. I really despair at some of my countrymen I really do.

Yes, live and let live………..I’m pleased for you; clearly your experiences in East London were positive so I can understand why you would not be concerned with how other people live their lives.

I’m a 38 year old white male who lived in Ealing (near Southall) for a number of years in the 90s’ and my experiences were not so jolly. The reason for this was the local Sikhs, Muslim and Hindu communities who were certainly not interested in your ‘live and let live’ ethic. During the 90’s there was seemingly a constant state of conflict amongst a multitude of gangs from these groups with mass fights, stabbings, murder and arson all part of the area’s general vibrancy.

Ironically these communities did seem to come together during elections, not that anyone used to knock on my door in the lead up to polling day…………….I could at least get comfort that our Gujarati neighbours did receive get visits from the prospective candidates though!

In my experience beyond the provision of goods and services people from these communities had little interest in integrating outside their cultural groups and racism was endemic. Ironically the the community that suffered the most from bigotry was the local black population (particularly migrant Somalis) not from packs of shaven headed, knuckle dragging, simian NF supporters but from………………you’ve guessed it..............the local Asians!

This of course didn’t ruin my life and I moved away. Nonetheless I will not forget my time there and particularly the how we felt living as a minority in an area of this country’s capital city. I am comfortable that the racism was not indicative of all members of these dominant migrant groups however it was not a tiny minority either.

It’s because of this experience that I am reassured when I see individuals from etnic communitoes wearing England shirts and supporting the country they were clearly born, educated and making their livelihood in.

Those that choose to support a nation on the other side of the world which has not provided any of the above do not give me with the same fluffy feeling; and in my view it is these people who are actually searching for division.

 

[User removed 4]

Yes, live and let live………..I’m pleased for you; clearly your experiences in East London were positive so I can understand why you would not be concerned with how other people live their lives.

I’m a 38 year old white male who lived in Ealing (near Southall) for a number of years in the 90s’ and my experiences were not so jolly. The reason for this was the local Sikhs, Muslim and Hindu communities who were certainly not interested in your ‘live and let live’ ethic. During the 90’s there was seemingly a constant state of conflict amongst a multitude of gangs from these groups with mass fights, stabbings, murder and arson all part of the area’s general vibrancy.

Ironically these communities did seem to come together during elections, not that anyone used to knock on my door in the lead up to polling day…………….I could at least get comfort that our Gujarati neighbours did receive get visits from the prospective candidates though!

In my experience beyond the provision of goods and services people from these communities had little interest in integrating outside their cultural groups and racism was endemic. Ironically the the community that suffered the most from bigotry was the local black population (particularly migrant Somalis) not from packs of shaven headed, knuckle dragging, simian NF supporters but from………………you’ve guessed it..............the local Asians!

This of course didn’t ruin my life and I moved away. Nonetheless I will not forget my time there and particularly the how we felt living as a minority in an area of this country’s capital city. I am comfortable that the racism was not indicative of all members of these dominant migrant groups however it was not a tiny minority either.

It’s because of this experience that I am reassured when I see individuals from etnic communitoes wearing England shirts and supporting the country they were clearly born, educated and making their livelihood in.

Those that choose to support a nation on the other side of the world which has not provided any of the above do not give me with the same fluffy feeling; and in my view it is these people who are actually searching for division.

excellent post.

 

[Bevendean Hillbilly]

Yes, live and let live………..I’m pleased for you; clearly your experiences in East London were positive so I can understand why you would not be concerned with how other people live their lives.

I’m a 38 year old white male who lived in Ealing (near Southall) for a number of years in the 90s’ and my experiences were not so jolly. The reason for this was the local Sikhs, Muslim and Hindu communities who were certainly not interested in your ‘live and let live’ ethic. During the 90’s there was seemingly a constant state of conflict amongst a multitude of gangs from these groups with mass fights, stabbings, murder and arson all part of the area’s general vibrancy.

Ironically these communities did seem to come together during elections, not that anyone used to knock on my door in the lead up to polling day…………….I could at least get comfort that our Gujarati neighbours did receive get visits from the prospective candidates though!

In my experience beyond the provision of goods and services people from these communities had little interest in integrating outside their cultural groups and racism was endemic. Ironically the the community that suffered the most from bigotry was the local black population (particularly migrant Somalis) not from packs of shaven headed, knuckle dragging, simian NF supporters but from………………you’ve guessed it..............the local Asians!

This of course didn’t ruin my life and I moved away. Nonetheless I will not forget my time there and particularly the how we felt living as a minority in an area of this country’s capital city. I am comfortable that the racism was not indicative of all members of these dominant migrant groups however it was not a tiny minority either.

It’s because of this experience that I am reassured when I see individuals from etnic communitoes wearing England shirts and supporting the country they were clearly born, educated and making their livelihood in.

Those that choose to support a nation on the other side of the world which has not provided any of the above do not give me with the same fluffy feeling; and in my view it is these people who are actually searching for division.

Nail. Head.

What reason does anyone entering the UK from asia or anywhere else have to integrate? why,when there is such effort and money expended on maintaining a seperate cultural identity,should they?

Migrants arriving in London,for example, will find established communities from their own country, speaking the language of home,selling the goods they know and providing the same sort of social network they would be familiar with, the only differences, in fact, between Britain and Pakistan or wherever are a fair legal system a free Health service, a welfare state, free education for their kids decent sanitation and access to ready cash...where would you want to live? If Bangladesh offered UK nationals such advantages I expect very soon British migration over there would push Mohammed off the No. 1 spot for boys names to be replaced with Dave or John...economics innit.

Unfortunately the flip side of multicultarism is that there is no need or requirement to take an active role as a British citizen other than paying your taxes,in fact the British policy has been to preserve as much diversity by printing every piece of government literature in 25 different languages, providing translators in Hospitals and Schools and promoting and supporting cultural festivals native not to these shores but from far away.

The whole thing stinks and it's no wonder that there is restlessness in communities most affected by it.

I do think that it has gone beyond the point now where the Britain of 40 years ago couldever be returned however and the choice is whether to embrace all beliefs and cultures and as a consequence move the UK from a Christian democracy to a Muslim/Christian Hybrid which will be an interesting experiment, or whether we adopt a more prescriptive policy which insists on a degree of give and take, especially in relation to religion and consequent voluntary apartheid that we see in the more isolationist Muslim communities.

The BNP do not offer any kind of answers but they are making people at least ask the questions.

 

[Dick Knights Mumm]

and in my view it is these people who are actually searching for division.

.................... unfortunately these are not the only ones.

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

these issues would never have been on the agenda if immigration had been stricter years back ,its now got out of control and strong action is required , people have blatantly entered this country and thought they could have there own way ,and people wonder why there's unrest to whats happened ,luton was a prime example a while back when OUR toops were abused , that should never happen again.

 

[coventrygull]

See the red scum are showing their usual respect for democracy

 

[User removed 4]

Nail. Head.

What reason does anyone entering the UK from asia or anywhere else have to integrate? why,when there is such effort and money expended on maintaining a seperate cultural identity,should they?

Migrants arriving in London,for example, will find established communities from their own country, speaking the language of home,selling the goods they know and providing the same sort of social network they would be familiar with, the only differences, in fact, between Britain and Pakistan or wherever are a fair legal system a free Health service, a welfare state, free education for their kids decent sanitation and access to ready cash...where would you want to live? If Bangladesh offered UK nationals such advantages I expect very soon British migration over there would push Mohammed off the No. 1 spot for boys names to be replaced with Dave or John...economics innit.

Unfortunately the flip side of multicultarism is that there is no need or requirement to take an active role as a British citizen other than paying your taxes,in fact the British policy has been to preserve as much diversity by printing every piece of government literature in 25 different languages, providing translators in Hospitals and Schools and promoting and supporting cultural festivals native not to these shores but from far away.

The whole thing stinks and it's no wonder that there is restlessness in communities most affected by it.

I do think that it has gone beyond the point now where the Britain of 40 years ago couldever be returned however and the choice is whether to embrace all beliefs and cultures and as a consequence move the UK from a Christian democracy to a Muslim/Christian Hybrid which will be an interesting experiment, or whether we adopt a more prescriptive policy which insists on a degree of give and take, especially in relation to religion and consequent voluntary apartheid that we see in the more isolationist Muslim communities.

The BNP do not offer any kind of answers but they are making people at least ask the questions.

you mean that not everyone enjoys living in these shining examples of our nations tolerance? i lived in tower hamlets for 5 years and all the bangladeshis there want to do is create their own little bangladesh but with the benefits of our welfare state etc,



:waits for someone from rural sussex who once drove through there on the way to a rock against racism concert in victoria park to tell me im talking rubbish

 

[king Wombat]

See the red scum are showing their usual respect for democracy

who exactly are the 'red scum' then??

 

[coventrygull]

who exactly are the 'red scum' then??

On news now. UAF wankers

 

[Common as Mook]

you mean that not everyone enjoys living in these shining examples of our nations tolerance? i lived in tower hamlets for 5 years and all the bangladeshis there want to do is create their own little bangladesh but with the benefits of our welfare state etc,



:waits for someone from rural sussex who once drove through there on the way to a rock against racism concert in victoria park to tell me im talking rubbish

You're talking rubbish

 

[User removed 4]

You're talking rubbish

 

[king Wombat]

Nail. Head.

What reason does anyone entering the UK from asia or anywhere else have to integrate? why,when there is such effort and money expended on maintaining a seperate cultural identity,should they?

Migrants arriving in London,for example, will find established communities from their own country, speaking the language of home,selling the goods they know and providing the same sort of social network they would be familiar with, the only differences, in fact, between Britain and Pakistan or wherever are a fair legal system a free Health service, a welfare state, free education for their kids decent sanitation and access to ready cash...where would you want to live? If Bangladesh offered UK nationals such advantages I expect very soon British migration over there would push Mohammed off the No. 1 spot for boys names to be replaced with Dave or John...economics innit.

Unfortunately the flip side of multicultarism is that there is no need or requirement to take an active role as a British citizen other than paying your taxes,in fact the British policy has been to preserve as much diversity by printing every piece of government literature in 25 different languages, providing translators in Hospitals and Schools and promoting and supporting cultural festivals native not to these shores but from far away.

The whole thing stinks and it's no wonder that there is restlessness in communities most affected by it.

I do think that it has gone beyond the point now where the Britain of 40 years ago couldever be returned however and the choice is whether to embrace all beliefs and cultures and as a consequence move the UK from a Christian democracy to a Muslim/Christian Hybrid which will be an interesting experiment, or whether we adopt a more prescriptive policy which insists on a degree of give and take, especially in relation to religion and consequent voluntary apartheid that we see in the more isolationist Muslim communities.

The BNP do not offer any kind of answers but they are making people at least ask the questions.

I found that quite interesting actually! kind of agree with you tho think you're being to black/white (excuse the pun..)

this religion thing is a bit misleading. Firstly a large proportion of asian immigrants are not muslim, there are are large numbers of asian sikhs/christians etc who have come over Most of the european immigrants are 'christian'.
There is a huge media frenzy on anything vaguely muslim going on but i can't see how this country can be split down the lines of christian/muslim.. where would all the agnostics sit for a start??

I'd argue that Britain isn't really a christian country apart from in name anyway. i somehow doubt that many of the people who've been posting on here are religious in the slightest. The church now is far less important to people than it was even 20 years ago.

Thirdly, historically when people from different countries migrate they tend to congregate in specfiic areas. Over time that wil tend to change and people's become more integrated within the country. From personal experience I would say that 2nd or 3rd generation black britains are far more british now than they were previously. Again that may not be the case everywhere but as a general observation i think alot of people would agree.

I do kind of agree with you that as a nation we are not very good at promoting britishness... however, personally I don't know what it means anyway. Used to mean empire, stiff upper lip all that kind of thing but none of that really stands true anymore.

you also talked about the loss of community spirit- well again there's a multitude of reasons why that has happened, and its a bit simplistic to just blame johnny foreigner for everything.

personally I blame chavs, the media, the benefit system, politcal correctness gone mad, and a shit legal system far more for the loss of communitys than an influx of foreigners.