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[Politics] 2020 US election - Joe Biden vs Donald Trump
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- Aug 7, 2003
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The fact that these two are contesting the election doesn’t say a great deal about the quality of American politics. One senile and the other certifiable.
- Jul 10, 2003
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I'm thinking of staying up for a late nighter (superbowl style) but Mrs Wz is at the gym, I'm onto my second glass of Malbec and dinner's only just gone into the oven. Rather like the superbowl and election it could be a close run thing, or it's more likely to be over very early 
- Apr 5, 2014
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So they are actually allowed to publish results before everyone has voted ?
Weird country.
Stato
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- Dec 21, 2011
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The left are consistently labelled as being overly-concerned with defining individuals as just being part of an identifiable group. Obviously individuals don't want to be defined by just one of their characteristics or traits. It feels dehumanising. The problem for the left is that the Marxist analysis of capitalism is a macro one and we live in a micro era. The analysis requires language that makes broad generalisations even if its intent is the betterment of all individuals.
For me, Marx was right in a lot of his analysis of the failings of capitalism and in identifying the winners and losers. He was wrong in trying to produce predictions of how the fundamental flaws in the system would be resolved. All political predictions based on economic models seem to be equally wrong, ignoring as they do, the fact that economics is but one of many drivers for the multitude of actors who create the future.
The right seems to have found ways to better appeal to the emotional, rather than analytical side of the brain. This seems effective, because the human brain tends to favour rationalising intuitive decisions to changing them upon challenge. It also doesn't help that the critique provided by the left is often telling people that they have more than they perceive themselves as having and asking that they give up power/status/money/privilege to benefit others. The challenge is made even greater by the separation of economic and political power that has accompanied the establishment of the capitalist hegemony (Sorry, I just couldn't avoid the word). This latter historical concept goes some way to explaining how the current crisis in capitalist democracies has arisen and how Trump's election was a symptom of the problem. It's explained far better by Yanis Varoufakis in the first part of this lecture:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIIgJq27HHA&pbjreload=101
I'm thinking of staying up for a late nighter (superbowl style) but Mrs Wz is at the gym, I'm onto my second glass of Malbec and dinner's only just gone into the oven. Rather like the superbowl and election it could be a close run thing, or it's more likely to be over very early
When are the first results of the battle ground states due in? Is it worth staying up?, or maybe getting up early?
Supposed to be about 11 so worth staying up for, but who knows.
Might end up with a Larry the cat style situation.
- Jul 10, 2003
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Sorrel
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I think it will be a very solid win for Biden, possibly approaching landslide proportions. That's what the polls say and they are very much clearer than four years ago, while there is also a lot of people determined to vote when they often don't - especially in the younger demographic.
Trump was really a huge effort at trolling liberal America that was incredibly successful, but like most joke candidates the fun (if it was fun) has worn off after four years - making this election not at all about policies but instead about personality - and only about one of them.
The next presidential election in the US will be much more interesting as there is more likely to be some policy debate.
Trump was really a huge effort at trolling liberal America that was incredibly successful, but like most joke candidates the fun (if it was fun) has worn off after four years - making this election not at all about policies but instead about personality - and only about one of them.
The next presidential election in the US will be much more interesting as there is more likely to be some policy debate.
- Apr 5, 2014
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Can't beat a bit of Yanis. 'Adults in the room' is a brilliant read.
He explains progressive socialism well. It's always a subject of frustration to me how I encounter folk (even in NSC) who have little or no understanding of socialism. They rally against it yet fail to understand how it underlays the fabric of our system of governance.
Is the NHS not a socialist concept ? The welfare state ? There is so much. Yet these people will complain when the support they need isn't available.
If it wasn't for socialist ideology then one of the loudest right-wingers in NSC would be pretty destitute.
I'm thinking of staying up for a late nighter (superbowl style) but Mrs Wz is at the gym, I'm onto my second glass of Malbec and dinner's only just gone into the oven. Rather like the superbowl and election it could be a close run thing, or it's more likely to be over very early
Don’t think I’ve done an all nighter for a US election before, but I do for all UK general elections (even when I was at secondary school). But I will for this one.
By all accounts, the earliest possible indications of anything would be 4am GMT. So going against my natural night owl body clock, I’m going to try to go to sleep at a decent time, setting the alarm for 4.
I’m well aware that due to the complexities of the Electoral College and the vastness of the size of some states, it may be a day or two before we really know. Even then the bungling orange cnt won’t accept defeat if he’s being kicked out of the WH.
Kalimantan Gull
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Party registration does not tell the result. Republicans need to be ahead in registration numbers in Florida because the sizeable unaffiliated vote leans democrat and the Dems get more crossover votes than Rs. They need to be about 400k votes ahead of Dems to win but we're only up about 100k at lunchtime, and that's without Miami-Dade and other large Dem leaning counties reporting their numbers.
RandyWanger
Je suis rôti de boeuf
Just got off the phone to my colleague in Queens, he said they're prepared for civil unrest whatever the outcome, the national guard are fully expecting riots either way. Crazy times. Hope Biden wins it, think Trump might.
LBC and R5 both say that 4am (GMT) at the earliest there’ll be any indications how it’s gone, more often 5 or 6.
Hopefully by a humiliatingly large majority
Trump could well win Florida, but lose. Much loyalty to GOP from ex Cubans.
There are several swing states, where things have looked grave for Trump for some time now. At the same time, GOP senators are worried their number’s up.
- Jul 10, 2003
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I'm glad that someone here has an idea of what happens at what time. I will keep watching, with no idea of what's happening when, until the Malbec or the old age gets me
Is it PotG?
Thrifty non-licker
I will keep watching, with no idea of what's happening when, until the Malbec or the old age gets me
I know which my money's on.
father_and_son
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I find an hour of CNN streams followed by 15 mins of Fox balances out to something reasonable.