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I think this is what is going on but do you (does anyone) really think that the current deal is going to be sufficiently changed, particularly with regard to the backstop? It's going to take more than a tweek, and there are enough MPs who would prefer a no deal Brexit anyway.

So, MPs haven't voted against the 2016 wish of constituents to leave the EU, and instead to remian. What they have been doing is following the democratic process to ensure that the end result is robust and not shoddily reached. It is not clear what the exact wish of the electorate is with...

When have MPs as whole/parliament, voted to remain in the EU, rather than leave, and therefore go against the 2016 wish of constituents? I don't think this has ever happened, although I am happy to be enlightened.

I'm afraid that's nonsense. It doesn't have to be now, particularly given the current situation. It doesn't have to be this long, particularly given the current situation. Parliament would potentially/likely have decided to sit during conference season, particularly given the current...

It's not sanity, it's fundamentally incorrect and you would have to have lost your mind to think otherwise. The 'plot' from yesterday was constructed around the idea of a fully functioning sovereign Parliament to ensure that the democratic and due process is adhered to. The 'plot' from today...

I think it's an appropriate time to repost this classic from Dave that continues to age like a fine wine. Prorouging Parliament at this time, for this long, is a complete dereliction of duty and a shameful tactic.

They have. They haven't agreed to having to endorse the Government's policy decision on the referendum, whatever they come up with. It's like if we had an advisory referendum on 'Do you want an NHS?' and the result was yes, and then Parliament then voted to uphold the referendum. That doesn't...

Do you think that the opposition parties should vote in favour of government policy decisions they don't agree with?

Glad you pointed that out. The 2017 Tory manifesto explicitly states we will leave the European Union delivered by a smooth,orderly Brexit. Furthermore, it also states "A strong and stable Union..." A no deal brexit does neither of the above 2017 manifesto commitments that you care so deeply...

Very true. However, once we go 'no deal' we will hold all the aces and be able to DEMAND preferential future trade deals. :ffsparr:

This is the thing isn’t it. No one thinks the EU is perfect, but throwing the baby out with the bathwater, whilst arguably providing a benefit of getting rid of dirty water, also leaves you with a dead baby.

If I have £1,000,010 and pay someone £10 I have £1,000,000. If I have £950,000 pounds and pay no one nothing, I have £950,000. Use you noggin. :wrong:

Normally the first duty of a Government is to protect and safeguard it's people. However this current government's duty is to plough on with the ideological march of deregulation, undertaken under the banner of democracy.

I am not sure people who are drawing parallels with now compared to the 1930s are strictly comparing the number of extremists or amount of prejudice around; clearly there has always been extremists and prejudice. I think the compassion is appropriate, although the current parallels are more...

You also didn't vote for 'no deal'. You originally voted for a broad ambiguous concept, that may have involved us leaving with no deal, or leaving with a deal etc. etc. You may have had hopes for what that meant, but that's all you had. The 2017 Tory manifesto, which garnered most votes, which...

I fully agree. The manifesto quite explicitly and clearly in black and white commits us to leave the EU smoothly and orderly with a deal. It doesn't get any simpler than that.

Yes, but the two statements are not mutually exclusive though. Ultimately the current Tory manifesto commits to leaving the EU in a smooth and orderly fashion with a deal. Nowhere does it say we will leave with no deal in a disorderly manner.

What you are assuming here is that MPs and people generally (i.e. society) are going to behave in a rational and pragmatic way, as they normally would, more or less. The trouble is what is happening is, IMO, far from rational or pragmatic. Arguably society is currently going through a period of...

The 2017 Tory manifesto explicitly says we will smoothly leave the EU with a deal: Unless you are advocating parties undemocratically reneging on manifesto promises, you must be of the opinion that we shouldn't be leaving the EU without a deal in place, which ensures a smooth and orderly...

That's not what albion68 is suggesting though. They voted for Brexit because they think there is too much immigration leading to overpopulation and more roads/houses.