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  1. pb21

    [Politics] Brexit

    I think I'm more skeptical. I think it suits both parties to say that they think a deal is on the cards, so that when it doesn't happen they can blame the otherside. Given the UKs recent stance on prematurely laying blame on the EU/Ireland I wonder if Ireland are looking for an opportunity to...
  2. pb21

    [Politics] Brexit

    Varadkar seems very positive this evening, almost too positive...
  3. pb21

    [Politics] Brexit

    I thought that May's WA as ammended by Labour was due to be voted on, it came up as part of the Benn act stuff. When will this happen, if it is? Seems like a good comprise and presumably all the labour MPs who wrote to the EU wanting a deal recently would vote for it. On this basis it would...
  4. pb21

    [Politics] Brexit

    Not sure whats funny. If Johnson is able to convince Parliament that No Deal will be OK we will leave with no deal, if it is OK it should be easy to do. The law doesn't prevent him from doing this as you incorrectly thought.
  5. pb21

    [Politics] Brexit

    I can imagine a few posters on here having a nose bleed if they don't get their own way by 1st November; maybe this is what they are alluding to.
  6. pb21

    [Politics] Brexit

    It doesn't stop 'him leaving with no deal', it stops 'him leaving with no deal' unless Parliament explicitly approves leaving with no deal. This is not clear abuse.
  7. pb21

    [Politics] Brexit

    :shrug: Edit: Of course 2017 had Nick Timothy and 2019/2020 will have Cummings whipping up a frenzy...
  8. pb21

    [Politics] Brexit

    Its worth noting that the betting market currently has 'no overall majority' as favourite. Also, IMO, there are more shy Labour voters than there are shy Tory voters these days.
  9. pb21

    [Politics] Brexit

    On the sovereign state customs union point I would say you are correct, but that decision will always have to be be based and balanced upon the political and economic realities, and the expectations/responsibilities that a sovereign state has.
  10. pb21

    [Politics] Brexit

    Party politics aka opposition parties not voting for something they don't agree with.
  11. pb21

    [Politics] Brexit

    What's interesting is that the betting odds/chances of leaving with or without a deal on 31st October have been constantly around 25%+ for the last week or so. Even after the Johnson Brexit plan was announced, this made no significant difference. Now these court papers come out and the betting...
  12. pb21

    [Politics] Brexit

    If it did pass a HoC indicative type vote (50/50 IMO) it would apply some political pressure on the EU to accept, but I think only a negligible amount. I think the 'Malthouse Compromise' had a majority but that meant didly squat as from the EU's perspective it solved nothing. I can't see a...
  13. pb21

    [Politics] Brexit

    As I understand it, it says this right at the top: http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2019/26/enacted/data.htm
  14. pb21

    [Politics] Brexit

    I think you are mistaken as the Benn bill specifically relates to an agreement concluded between the UK and the EU and in your example this wouldn't have happend. Way to easy otherwise.
  15. pb21

    [Politics] Brexit

    Are you suggesting that the EU gave a positive response in private prior to the proposal being made public and then changed their opinion today? Where abouts are you reading/hearing this, TBH this seems unlikely to me?
  16. pb21

    [Politics] Brexit

    According to the Government we can leave, and we will be leaving in 28 days, no ifs no buts...
  17. pb21

    [Politics] Brexit

    It would seem Johnson's deal is 'dead on arrival' in Brussels. He will blame the EU for not compromising. However, we chose to leave and furthermore, and most importantly, we knew that such a proposed deal would not have been considered acceptable before we even thought about leaving.
  18. pb21

    [Politics] Brexit

    I would agree that he is half way there, although can the other half be sorted within two weeks?
  19. pb21

    [Politics] Brexit

    Also, if this was simply a power struggle to bring the government down the opposition are going a strange way about it by deliberately acting to not bringing them down!
  20. pb21

    [Politics] Brexit

    If an option is put in front of Parliament that is demonstrably palatable to the opposition parties and they vote against it I would agree with you. But that isn't what has happend to date. I guess I would agree that the opposition are making hay while the sun is shining but they have no...

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