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  1. pb21

    [Politics] Brexit

    Presumably we could have May's WA and political deceleration?
  2. pb21

    [Politics] Brexit

    I haven't look through all of them but it seems a lot of these Labour MPs have Tory's close in second place. I wonder how many voted tactically (possibly with the Whip's backing) on the 2nd reading to help their chances in the GE.
  3. pb21

    [Politics] Brexit

    What are the implications of a 110 page piece of legislation that is 10% different to one previous not agreed, albeit read. Its not the reading that takes the time, its the understanding that does.
  4. pb21

    [Politics] Brexit

    Tusk doesn't explicitly state that the extension he will recommend will be to the end of Jan 2020, as Johnson suggested. He could recommend an extension of any duration and still be accepting the request.
  5. pb21

    [Politics] Brexit

    Cummings cocked up big time by pulling the vote on Saturday.
  6. pb21

    [Politics] Brexit

    People are talking about potential ammendments Labour may bring during the WAB reading (customs union etc). Presumably the ERG could also suggest ammendments too, which may then be backed by the government?
  7. pb21

    [Politics] Brexit

    Also leavers who think this is a poor deal will likely vote against this, depending on their party Whip.
  8. pb21

    [Politics] Brexit

    I reckon it will pass by a handful of votes. All the current Tory party will vote for it, including the ERG and the majority of ex tories, and enough Labours will make up for the DUP and ex tories who won't.
  9. pb21

    [Politics] Brexit

    I don't really get this either. He has got a deal by removing one of our red lines, which he was forced to do by him saying we would leave by November and then no deal being almost certainly ruled out by Parliament. As soon as our red lines went a deal was very feasible.
  10. pb21

    [Politics] Brexit

    How do you see this deal as a compromise?
  11. pb21

    [Politics] Brexit

    IMO its fairly easy to see how this deal is worse from a labour POV, just look at the increasing support from the right of the Tory party.
  12. pb21

    [Politics] Brexit

    Wouldn't the Johnson approach increase the potential for a more rapid divergence (deregulation) from the EU standard? If that's correct and the deal does do this then that is something you would think that Labour would oppose, or at least want to appreciate fully before voting for?
  13. pb21

    [Politics] Brexit

    Anyone think a deal will be agreed between the UK and the EU (are the latest talks both sides not wanting to be seen to refuse to try). If so do you think that deal will be voted for in the HoC by the 19th? Even if a UK/EU deal is approved parliament then having only two days to...
  14. pb21

    [Politics] Brexit

    It will be interesting to see how May votes on such a proposal, if it makes it that far.
  15. pb21

    [Politics] Brexit

    I think a fundamental difference is that in those cases people knew exactly what they were voting for (Sweden to join an existing union with known rules and expectations etc, and Norway to stick with their model), whereas our referendum was for a concept. So on that basis 52% have 100% of the...
  16. pb21

    [Politics] Brexit

    It remains to be seen if the latest proposal is 'acceptable' with the DUP...
  17. pb21

    [Politics] Brexit

    The EU could attach a condition that if a deal is agreed we either leave with that deal on 31st October if UK legislation is passed or a short extension is applied.
  18. pb21

    [Politics] Brexit

    I think the premise is that there would technically be just enough time but Johnson would deliberately not use it. Edit: Would the DUP publicly support this even if they privately knew no deal would result?
  19. pb21

    [Politics] Brexit

    This seems feasible to me. Given the short time the EU should say a short technical extension is therfore required to ensure time for legislation to pass only. This would be reasonable. If this was not agreed it would be clear what the plan was.
  20. pb21

    [Politics] Brexit

    I sure Johnson does want a deal, this would make him very popular; he knows this. Is a deal that is acceptable with both the EU and the ERG/the DUP possible though? I can't help but think that this evenings optimism, primarily from Varadkar, is only political. We shall see!

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