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I'm very surprised by this, unless it's only outside UK

Very sad. A true class act

We have to assume there would be a big sell-on fee in the Option to Buy. That's the only way this deal would make sense IMO.

But do you think we would ever play like that? Basically ten players feeding a goal hanger?

Do you actually think our formation will allow us to have a player who can "hang around up top"? Look at the friendlies where Welbeck was consistently dropping deep to pull out a centre-back, giving us more space to counter. Look at our patterns of play... there are no goal-hangers in this team.

It's a no from me. Roll on a Hummel kit next season

To be honest, I wouldn't sell Gilmour. He's one of my favourite players... I'm just giving my thoughts about why he may be allowed to leave (and Gross)

Well according to Twitter he's impressed the management team and they're considering keeping him in the first team squad. And if you've seen no evidence of Baleba being ready you didn't watch us play at the end of last season. When Gilmour was out for a few games, Baleba was man of the match...

I was going to say something similar. He likes two box-to-box midfielders ahead of the back three, which isn't really what Billy does. The same could be said for Gross, hence allowing him to move too. I suspect Wieffer will play the third centre-back role, and we'll see Baleba & one other being...

Good point well made! The rest of my post stands!

The key paragraph in that good analysis is this - "We just don’t have the full picture yet. Verbruggen, Dunk, Igor, Estupiñán, Baleba, Wieffer, Groß, Hinshelwood, March, and João Pedro were not involved in the friendly vs. Tokyo Verdy." Of those, the majority are in defensive positions where we...

Rejecting this for Undav, but allegedly £12m for Gilmour is okay. Baffling to me

What a legend that lad is, and his Dad just as much so. My son and I always look out for him at games as he's bundle of energy. Get well Fin, hope to see you going crazy after a goal at Everton.

He has had success though.

England have been saying for years that they wanted to bring players and coaches through the system, and with the players there's evidence that it's worked. Either they stick to their guns and appoint Carsley, or what's the point? It worked for Spain

It was probably Roma away.

Feels to me like this has been made up to push Rapey Greenwood into a decision

Why was the keeper up at the end? Worst case it was going to penalties no?

Glory for Málaga last night!

We went to see Málaga v Real Madrid Castillo this season. It was a full house and a cracking atmosphere. Raul was the RM C manager, and Zidane Junior was playing.