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[Albion] "You're black and you stink" Rodriquez comment to Bong? - FA say not proven
- Thread starter El Presidente
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Ernest
Stupid IDIOT
Not proven, the old Scottish verdict, not in enough evidence to find guilty but enough there not to say he's innocent
Technohead
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Tooting Gull
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- Jul 5, 2003
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Not totally surprised by that outcome, did seem a bit shaky and lacking supporting evidence/witnesses. I wondered at the time if Bong had not acted maliciously - but had simply misheard or misunderstood.
Anyway all ifs and buts now. If Rodriquez did say it, he has got away with it. If not, it's the right outcome. It's not necessarily true to say 'Bong lied' because this is case not proven/insufficient evidence to prove the charge, but that is perhaps how the other side will view it.
Anyway all ifs and buts now. If Rodriquez did say it, he has got away with it. If not, it's the right outcome. It's not necessarily true to say 'Bong lied' because this is case not proven/insufficient evidence to prove the charge, but that is perhaps how the other side will view it.
The Large One
Who's Next?
Not sure that's exactly a moral victory for Rodriguez. Need to wait for the final statement, but 'not proven' doesn't really clear his name.
Lower West Stander
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Not sure what else they could have done.
One word against another.....
One word against another.....
Technohead
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"We are not at all surprised that The FA brought this charge. We agree with Mr De Marco QC that it was right that they did so. We gave anxious and careful consideration to the evidence. Rightly, no one suggested this was a malicious complaint nor that GB was lying. Ultimately, we did not reach the position where we were satisfied the Player probably spoke offending words. In those circumstances, we could not and therefore did not find the charge of Misconduct proved".
Seagull1989
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- Oct 31, 2011
- 1,206
When I first saw it, it seemed to me that he was saying that Bongs breath smelt rather than being told , "you're black and you stink " . So I'm not surprised by the outcome at all
super-seagulls
Soup! Why didn’t I get any Soup?
Easy 10
Brain dead MUG SHEEP
Whether he said something racist or not, perhaps this whole experience will teach Rodriguez not to be such a childish little prick. Pinching his nose and wafting his hand in a "peewww you stink!" gesture - unbelievable. I wouldn't expect that from a 9 year old. He's a grown man ffs.
Thunder Bolt
Silly old bat
The report says Rodriguez covered his mouth so the lip reader couldn't clear him, as I pointed out watching the video. He pinches his nose with his hand in front of his mouth.
nicko31
Well-known member
Knew was he was doing
And true to form the WBA morons on Twitter now going after Bong and demanding he be banned for having the temerity to report what he believed to be a racist remark to a referee.
crookie
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Reading the report in full, I think using the term 'not proven' could give a misleading impression. It doesn't seem to mean in the Scottish way (that is, on balance guilty but not enough evidence to be beyond reasonable doubt). It is because the onus was on the FA to 'prove' the charge, and they didn't. Therefore the charge was 'not proven'.
I would say that actually what they are saying is that they can't tell one way or the other, because the evidence is lacking on both sides. As has been said all along, it comes down to one person's word against another - and with no corroborative evidence it is really hard to see how they could potentially ruin a player's career on that alone.
I would say that actually what they are saying is that they can't tell one way or the other, because the evidence is lacking on both sides. As has been said all along, it comes down to one person's word against another - and with no corroborative evidence it is really hard to see how they could potentially ruin a player's career on that alone.
Thunder Bolt
Silly old bat
brightn'ove
cringe
One thing the report does mention is that Bong said that JR covered his mouth during the encounter. It is very easy to mishear or misunderstand things when you can’t see a persons lips move. Personally I can see how ‘breath ****ing stinks’ could be misheard in those circumstances. I believe both sides - bong heard racism, Rodriguez probably didn’t say anything racist. I’m not saying that anyone made anything up.
Richbaggie
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- Feb 9, 2018
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A pretty inevitable conclusion. Unsatisfactory for either party. Bong will feel aggrieved at what he thought he strongly felt he heard and Rodriguez aggrieved at being accused of something he felt strongly that he didn't say.
Time for both players to move on from the whole sorry episode.
Time for both players to move on from the whole sorry episode.
Indeed.