[Albion] "You're black and you stink" Rodriquez comment to Bong? - FA say not proven

[mejonaNO12 aka riskit]

nonsense case really. Nothing can be proved or not proved.

Unless there's proof

 

[Thunder Bolt]

I just don't see how anything can be proved beyond reasonable doubt that Rodriguez made a racist remark - its just one mans word against another. The video footage is inconclusive. If it hasn't (or can't) be PROVED, then he'll have to be found innocent. They've rightly charged him, as you have to be seen to be going through due process with a serious allegation such as this, and it must be investigated as thoroughly as possible.

But unless there has been some evidence brought to light that we are not aware of, I can't see how this charge can be upheld.

A case in a criminal court has to be proved beyond all reasonable doubt, but because it's an FA disciplinary hearing, it is just a probable.
The FA heard from the referee & decided to charge Rodriguez so must have read/heard more than just Bong's allegation.

 

[dazzer6666]

If anybody cannot open the link the hearing is at Wembley today and Pardew is to give evidence on behalf of Rodriguez.

"He's a lovely fella, nice guy, not a racist bone in his body, fully involved in the club's charity work blah blah blah"


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[BensGrandad]

A case in a criminal court has to be proved beyond all reasonable doubt, but because it's an FA disciplinary hearing, it is just a probable.
The FA heard from the referee & decided to charge Rodriguez so must have read/heard more than just Bong's allegation.

that is correct the FA do not require 'beyond reasonable doubt' the law of probability tends to prevail especially as any appeal cannot be taken to a legal challenge as it has been said previously they are autonomous.

 

[Gazwag]

"He's a lovely fella, nice guy, not a racist bone in his body, fully involved in the club's charity work blah blah blah"


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and he's got 18 black friends

 

[BensGrandad]

"He's a lovely fella, nice guy, not a racist bone in his body, fully involved in the club's charity work blah blah blah"


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That can only be used as a character witness in relation to punishment as it is NOT evidence.by which they can find the case proven or otherwise.

 

[dazzer6666]

That can only be used as a character witness in relation to punishment as it is NOT evidence.by which they can find the case proven or otherwise.

It's not a court of law......

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[Easy 10]

A case in a criminal court has to be proved beyond all reasonable doubt, but because it's an FA disciplinary hearing, it is just a probable.
The FA heard from the referee & decided to charge Rodriguez so must have read/heard more than just Bong's allegation.

You'd think so.

I don't see how they can find him guilty of racist abuse by deciding that he "probably" said it. But then the FA are a law unto themselves. John Terry was cleared by a magistrates court of giving racist abuse to Anton Ferdinand - yet the FA still charged him of the offence, and subsequently found him guilty (I think he admitted to using racist language, but as a "challenge" to what he thought had been said to him).

If Rodriguez is found guilty by the FA, I wouldn't be surprised if he takes it to court.

 

[BensGrandad]

It's not a court of law......

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I know as I have sat on many and heard the arguments put forward.both for and against players.

 

[albionalex]

Bear in mind that other players on the pitch at the time have been interviewed - it's possible one of them heard something.

 

[The Andy Naylor Fan Club]

I know as I have sat on many and heard the arguments put forward.both for and against players.

Why would you sit on footballers? That's plain cruel in my book.

 

[BensGrandad]

You'd think so.

I don't see how they can find him guilty of racist abuse by deciding that he "probably" said it. But then the FA are a law unto themselves. John Terry was cleared by a magistrates court of giving racist abuse to Anton Ferdinand - yet the FA still charged him of the offence, and subsequently found him guilty (I think he admitted to using racist language, but as a "challenge" to what he thought had been said to him).

If Rodriguez is found guilty by the FA, I wouldn't be surprised if he takes it to court.

He cannot as the high court have ruled that the FA is autonomous and every player agrees to abide by their decisions

 

[Da Man Clay]

You'd think so.

I don't see how they can find him guilty of racist abuse by deciding that he "probably" said it. But then the FA are a law unto themselves. John Terry was cleared by a magistrates court of giving racist abuse to Anton Ferdinand - yet the FA still charged him of the offence, and subsequently found him guilty (I think he admitted to using racist language, but as a "challenge" to what he thought had been said to him).

If Rodriguez is found guilty by the FA, I wouldn't be surprised if he takes it to court.

Because civil trials (and the FA process) is based on balance of probability. If the FA think he probably did it that’s good enough. Nothing he can take to court.

 

[Hungry Joe]

Why would you sit on footballers? That's plain cruel in my book.

And a bit kinky.

 

[BensGrandad]

Why would you sit on footballers? That's plain cruel in my book.

Disciplinary cases not the players as the poster said it wasnt a court of law no mention of the player.

 

[Hungry Joe]

Disciplinary cases not the players as the poster said it wasnt a court of law no mention of the player.

Thanks for clearing that up, lolz

 

[SIMMO SAYS]

I know as I have sat on many and heard the arguments put forward.both for and against players.

Did you send any to Australia

 

[Easy 10]

He cannot as the high court have ruled that the FA is autonomous and every player agrees to abide by their decisions

Because civil trials (and the FA process) is based on balance of probability. If the FA think he probably did it that’s good enough. Nothing he can take to court.

So he could be found guilty in a kangaroo court at Wembley of "probably" racially abusing someone, and he has no recourse ?

Blimey.

 

[NorthLainer]

So he could be found guilty in a kangaroo court at Wembley of "probably" racially abusing someone, and he has no recourse ?

Blimey.

That's the way the FA roll, and as John Terry found out there's Sweet FA you can do about it.

 

[Hungry Joe]

So he could be found guilty in a kangaroo court at Wembley of "probably" racially abusing someone, and he has no recourse ?

Blimey.

I know. Just think if they went all Joseph Stalin and started purging eh? 'mare