Don Quixote
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- Nov 4, 2008
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Legend, brought the labour party back to power against all the odds. Three terms as well. He made some mistakes, we all do, but I like him.
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Your verdict on Tony Blair...
- Thread starter Danny-Boy
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Spanish my friend, I felt compelled to continue.
Dandyman
In London village.
A large amount of spin, to be honest. Labour began winning on a large scale under John Smith (look at the Council results for the first half of the 1990s) and he would have been PM in 1997 but for his premature death. The Labour vote (and membership) actually declined while B.Liar was in power.
Don Quixote
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- Nov 4, 2008
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Yeah that is true, he would have been forced out by Brown anyway.
The Spanish
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just in case anyone wonders why he hung around for so long.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TbhPWAMx2y0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TbhPWAMx2y0
Shit.
Was persuaded into voting for his party in 1997 but haven't made the same foolish mistake again.
Was persuaded into voting for his party in 1997 but haven't made the same foolish mistake again.
bhaexpress
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Fair description.
Not really, no. Devolution is what the people wanted, and that's what they got. You might want to check how Plaid Cmryu and the SNP did in the last election to see how close we are to the break up of the UK. i.e. Not even close.
A bitter pill to swallow but probably worth it in the long run.
Now this is an odd one. It's funny how people like you are painting this policy as a real problem created by the Labour party. Personally, I agree with your opinion that it was of no real benefit to anyone and that it was part of some stupid class war that should have been left behind decades ago. BUT this law was put in place by a democratically elected government. The fact that the hunting lobby made such a f***ing fuss and tried to disrupt the democratic process by organising rallies under some all encompassing countryside alliance umbrella and using it as proof that there was massive opposition to it, really got on my tits. As did their illegal slogan that 59% of the electorate opposed the ban. Because that wasn't true either. So in the end, forcing it through became a matter of principle. It's called democracy.
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Don Quixote
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I'd rather have Tony than this little posh boy and his cronies running the country.
Tubby Mondays
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Hes hardly the first politician and wont be the last to be smarmy (too many examples to note but think Cameron, Mandelson etc).
Hes hardly the first politician and he wont be the last to be sleazy (too many examples to note but think Mellor, Hamilton etc).
Hes hardly the first politician to take anyone in to an unwarranted war (the Falklands for example) and every one of the leaders of all the other main parties would have done the same, regardless of what they say now. Uncle George blew the bugle so we had to muster. Weve got a 'special' relationship to uphold.
Hes hardly the first politician and wont be the last to be blamed for the financial meltdown (thought that was Gordon Browns fault in fact everyone but those who really caused it?).
Hes hardly the first prime minister to have social unrest on his watch (1981 riots, miners strikes, the general stike of the 1920s etc etc).
But youre spot on with everything else.
Have you read the Janet and John books on anything else?
Pavilionaire
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- Jul 7, 2003
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It's hard to make a judgement on Blair.
One of biggest successes is deemed to be Northern Ireland, but then how much of that was down to Blair and how much to Mo Mowlam?
Re the economy - how much of that was down to Blair and how much the general global economic boom fuelled by the internet revolution and emergence of India and China as world markets?
Even if we withdraw from Iraq and Afghanistan the instability left behind will be Bush and Blair's legacy.
Domestically, good and bad. Hopefully, the coalition will roll back some of this "nanny state" situation Blair created. Unfortunately, the legacy of spin is still with us. I see recently exam pass rates have improved for the 23rd year in a row, yet this is plainly bollocks. This was not Blair's creation but tuition fees, faith schools etc show a lot that he got wrong.
One of biggest successes is deemed to be Northern Ireland, but then how much of that was down to Blair and how much to Mo Mowlam?
Re the economy - how much of that was down to Blair and how much the general global economic boom fuelled by the internet revolution and emergence of India and China as world markets?
Even if we withdraw from Iraq and Afghanistan the instability left behind will be Bush and Blair's legacy.
Domestically, good and bad. Hopefully, the coalition will roll back some of this "nanny state" situation Blair created. Unfortunately, the legacy of spin is still with us. I see recently exam pass rates have improved for the 23rd year in a row, yet this is plainly bollocks. This was not Blair's creation but tuition fees, faith schools etc show a lot that he got wrong.
The same as you. I'm saying that Blair has NOT put the UK on a path to break up.
Ok, yeah, makes sence now.
The Spanish
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'people like me' are not 'pinning it on the labour party'. I do understand how it works. I am pinning it on the type of people who thought new labour were brilliant, all those 'were you up for portillo' wankers who really dont have any brain cells but know which causes to line up behind. Of course labour forced it through. It was a f***ing gift to cement their relationship with the new labour electorate who had spent the eighties brooding about thatch. Anyway the fox hunting debate is beyond boring. Anyone with any strong opinions on it apart from its stupidity is a concern to me.
Philzo-93
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Shitheaded prick 