York Mosque shows the way for all of us

[BadFish]

If you live in a country all citizens need to be subject to the same judicial processes. I am sure someone will point out instances where this is not the case - but the general point stands. There was an interesting Panorama recently on these courts which showed some of the problems, particularly towards women who may not have wanted to be before the Sharia court, and straying into areas where they have no jurisdiction.

And on a previous posting I think you suggested that because there were white people involved in paedophile rings there was not a particular problem with some Asian men. It does not look that way from here. And it stems from an attitude that does not respect young white women.

I understand wanting to put some balance into a discussion - but there are issues that need to be recognised and addressed.

I appreciate what you are saying and have not heard about those sharia courts that have strayed out of their juruisdiction.

So there is a particular problem with muslim pedophiles stemming from disrespect for white women. Do you have a link about this to save me a bit of googling?

I agree with the fact that some radical Muslims are causing issues and that they need to be addressed. However i don't see how the generalisations and blaket statements exhibited on this thread help the situation.

In fact i think it makes it worse by widening the divide and driving moderate muslims into the arms of the radicals.

I do feel the need to add some balance because it seems like all Muslims are being blamed for the actions of a few. I just do not beleive that this should be the case and i feel the need to stand up for decent people who are being lumped in with scum purely because the share their religious beliefs.

 

[Dick Knights Mumm]

So there is a particular problem with muslim pedophiles stemming from disrespect for white women. Do you have a link about this to save me a bit of googling?

When you say a particular problem I assume you have followed the recent court cases. And as I understand there may be more to come.

And I have personal experience of this attitude that these cases have confirmed.

I am not sure your apparent unwillingness to appreciate there is a problem helps the situation either. I do not blame all muslims for the actions of a few deranged souls, and no decent person would.

 

[BadFish]

When you say a particular problem I assume you have followed the recent court cases. And as I understand there may be more to come.

And I have personal experience of this attitude that these cases have confirmed.

I am not sure your apparent unwillingness to appreciate there is a problem helps the situation either. I do not blame all muslims for the actions of a few deranged souls, and no decent person would.

I did not and would not accuse you of doing this I was merely explaining why I felt the need to add some balance to this thread. i apologisefor any offense caused.

No I have not followed the recent court cases and I do not have an unwillingness to appreciate their is problem. I simply asked you for a link because I am struggling to find credible information which explains the situation either way. So far I have come up with.

http://www.onislam.net/english/news/europe/459230-uk-uproar-on-asian-muslim-pedophile-rings.html

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/gang-guilty-of-abusing-vulnerable-girls-2142690.html

Which tell me that there are Muslim Pedophiles and suggests that Jack Straw thinks that there is a grooming problem

Edit: I have also found this

http://www.shropshirestar.com/news/crime/2013/05/10/horror-of-telford-girls-sex-abuse-ordeal/

But this says that the men were convicted and jailed for their crimes. Just like anyone else, this doesn't seem to be the government cover up that Soulman was describing.

 

[Soulman]

"But this says that the men were convicted and jailed for their crimes. Just like anyone else, this doesn't seem to be the government cover up that Soulman was describing." Quote Badfish.
""Is it collective amnesia that has blinded us to the underlying circumstances, whereby at least 27 police forces are investigating 54 alleged child grooming gangs? Why has investigating and prosecuting in so many different parts of the country taken so much time? Is it the fear of racialism, or is it the fact that many of these vulnerable girls come from care homes?"

Read more: http://digitaljournal.com/article/350587#ixzz2Vtf71hmO

Badfish, you do seem to keep asking posters to put up links for you, this is probably the reason that you are not aware what is going on, because you do not research.

 

[Soulman]

"But this says that the men were convicted and jailed for their crimes. Just like anyone else, this doesn't seem to be the government cover up that Soulman was describing." Quote Badfish.
""Is it collective amnesia that has blinded us to the underlying circumstances, whereby at least 27 police forces are investigating 54 alleged child grooming gangs? Why has investigating and prosecuting in so many different parts of the country taken so much time? Is it the fear of racialism, or is it the fact that many of these vulnerable girls come from care homes?"

Read more: http://digitaljournal.com/article/350587#ixzz2Vtf71hmO

Badfish, you do seem to keep asking posters to put up links for you, this is probably the reason that you are not aware what is going on, because you do not research.

 

[BadFish]

"But this says that the men were convicted and jailed for their crimes. Just like anyone else, this doesn't seem to be the government cover up that Soulman was describing." Quote Badfish.
""Is it collective amnesia that has blinded us to the underlying circumstances, whereby at least 27 police forces are investigating 54 alleged child grooming gangs? Why has investigating and prosecuting in so many different parts of the country taken so much time? Is it the fear of racialism, or is it the fact that many of these vulnerable girls come from care homes?"

Read more: http://digitaljournal.com/article/350587#ixzz2Vtf71hmO

Badfish, you do seem to keep asking posters to put up links for you, this is probably the reason that you are not aware what is going on, because you do not research.

Your Journal entry cites this report from the BBC

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-22617339

Which does not state that all of these cases involve Mulsim men as you insinuate infact it says

a report from the Children's Commissioner for England has stated that abusers "come from all ethnic groups and so do their victims".

I am researching what you are suggesting I am just not seeing the necessary evidence to back it up.

your journal entry(you do realise that anyone can contribute stories to that website don't you?) also quotes the independent by saying

However, according to the Independent "on-street grooming is not the sole preserve of Asian men"

Read more: http://digitaljournal.com/article/350587#ixzz2Vtj2SPup

 

[Soulman]

I did not and would not accuse you of doing this I was merely explaining why I felt the need to add some balance to this thread. i apologisefor any offense caused.

No I have not followed the recent court cases and I do not have an unwillingness to appreciate their is problem. I simply asked you for a link because I am struggling to find credible information which explains the situation either way. So far I have come up with.

http://www.onislam.net/english/news/europe/459230-uk-uproar-on-asian-muslim-pedophile-rings.html

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/gang-guilty-of-abusing-vulnerable-girls-2142690.html

Which tell me that there are Muslim Pedophiles and suggests that Jack Straw thinks that there is a grooming problem

Edit: I have also found this

http://www.shropshirestar.com/news/crime/2013/05/10/horror-of-telford-girls-sex-abuse-ordeal/

But this says that the men were convicted and jailed for their crimes. Just like anyone else, this doesn't seem to be the government cover up that Soulman was describing.

Well this one is bang up to date BF, from yesterday.
"In November 2010 five Rotherham men were jailed for sexual offences against under-age girls.
The abuse came to light after an investigation by The Times, which later claimed it had evidence that agencies were aware of extensive and co-ordinated abuse of white girls by some Asian men in Rotherham for which no-one had been prosecuted.
'Lack of prosecutions'
The Home Affairs Committee report heard evidence from South Yorkshire Police, Mrs Thacker and Mr Wright, who was cabinet member for Children and Young Persons' Services between 2005 and 2010.
We suggest Mr Wright may wish to take more of an interest in the victims then he has done previously”
Home Affairs Committee
It heard that since 2010 no further prosecutions had taken place.
South Yorkshire Police said at present more than 60 investigations are taking place across South Yorkshire and about 180 children countywide are being seen after showing signs of being "at risk" of abuse
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-22837960

 

[Soulman]

"A man accused of making "offensive" comments on a social media website following the killing of Drummer Lee Rigby has had his case dropped.
Mohammed Mazar, 19, of Balmoral Drive, Woking, Surrey, was charged with improper use of the public electronic communications network.
He was due to appear before Guildford magistrates on Tuesday but a prosecutor said his case had been "discontinued".

"On Friday, a 23-year-old woman from Hampshire who posted an "offensive" message on Facebook was sentenced to eight weeks imprisonment, suspended for eight months.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-22857538

Now there's a surprise.

 

[BadFish]

Well this one is bang up to date BF, from yesterday.
"In November 2010 five Rotherham men were jailed for sexual offences against under-age girls.
The abuse came to light after an investigation by The Times, which later claimed it had evidence that agencies were aware of extensive and co-ordinated abuse of white girls by some Asian men in Rotherham for which no-one had been prosecuted.
'Lack of prosecutions'
The Home Affairs Committee report heard evidence from South Yorkshire Police, Mrs Thacker and Mr Wright, who was cabinet member for Children and Young Persons' Services between 2005 and 2010.
We suggest Mr Wright may wish to take more of an interest in the victims then he has done previously”
Home Affairs Committee
It heard that since 2010 no further prosecutions had taken place.
South Yorkshire Police said at present more than 60 investigations are taking place across South Yorkshire and about 180 children countywide are being seen after showing signs of being "at risk" of abuse
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-22837960

Thanks, but again this tells me about one of the 60 investigations include Asian. I am not seeing the epidemic of Muslim rape, pedophilia and government cover up that you have been describing. I don't think that posting reports of individual cases involving Muslims is going to build the picture you are describing. Surely to reach your conclusion you would have some stats that show that Muslims are more likely to be involved in these activities that other groups in the UK?

by the way I don't dispute the fact that the government and police have done a crappy job of dealing with Pedophilia over the years but again I don't see any reason to assume that they are more likely to cover up Muslim sexual crimes than anyone else.

 

[Soulman]

Thanks, but again this tells me about one of the 60 investigations include Asian.

The investigations and convictions (at last) have been in Rochdale, Rotherham, Oldham, Derby, Telford, Oxford, to name a few, another 54 being investigated at the moment. To put "Asian" down as you and the media seem to do, is misleading as all of these cases involve just a certain religion, it would be like putting down "European" if the boot was on the other foot.

 

[BadFish]

The investigations and convictions (at last) have been in Rochdale, Rotherham, Oldham, Derby, Telford, Oxford, to name a few, another 54 being investigated at the moment. To put "Asian" down as you and the media seem to do, is misleading as all of these cases involve just a certain religion, it would be like putting down "European" if the boot was on the other foot.

By 'these' do you mean the 5 cases you have mentioned (I noticed that two are part of the same investigation) or are you saying that all 54 are down to certain religion?

You seem to be doing the same thing over and over which is to post examples of (possibly) Muslims involved in Pedophilia and use this, with your prejudice as evidence that Muslims are more involved in Pedophilia than any other group. Given that I don't share your prejudice if you want to convince me you will have to provide more compelling evidence.

"It is not credible to blame a whole community for the acts of a tiny minority of bad individuals and we will not allow those with an agenda of hate and division to hijack this case."

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/05/14/oxford-paedophile-ring-horrifying-abuse_n_3275009.html

 

[cunning fergus]

Thanks, but again this tells me about one of the 60 investigations include Asian. I am not seeing the epidemic of Muslim rape, pedophilia and government cover up that you have been describing. I don't think that posting reports of individual cases involving Muslims is going to build the picture you are describing. Surely to reach your conclusion you would have some stats that show that Muslims are more likely to be involved in these activities that other groups in the UK?

by the way I don't dispute the fact that the government and police have done a crappy job of dealing with Pedophilia over the years but again I don't see any reason to assume that they are more likely to cover up Muslim sexual crimes than anyone else.

Badfish you don't see it because you are blind to the truth. You constantly and disengeniously distort what you read from other posters and/or the press into something other than the undeniable facts. You excuse, you mitigate you are an appalling apologist.................frankly you are a bigot.

http://www.private-eye.co.uk/paul_foot.php

An article by Andrew Norfolk that appeared in The Times in September 2012.

Police files reveal vast child protection scandal
By Andrew Norfolk @ The Times
Confidential police reports and intelligence files that reveal a hidden truth about the sale and extensive use of English children for sex are exposed today.

They show that for more than a decade organised groups of men were able to groom, pimp and traffic girls across the country with virtual impunity. Offenders were identified to police but not prosecuted.

A child welfare expert, speaking under condition of anonymity, said that agencies’ reluctance to tackle such street-grooming networks was “the biggest child protection scandal of our time”.

The Times has published several articles about a pattern of crimes across northern England and the Midlands involving groups of men, largely of Pakistani heritage, and the sexual abuse of white girls aged from 12 to 16.

We can now reveal evidence from more than 200 restricted-access documents, which show that, in one area, police and child protection agencies have held extensive knowledge of this crime model for ten years, yet have never publicly acknowledged its existence.

The internal police and social services correspondence, research papers, intelligence reports and case files are a detailed history of alleged child sexual exploitation in South Yorkshire since 2000, focusing on Rotherham. They include a confidential 2010 report by the police intelligence bureau warning that thousands of such crimes were committed in the county each year.

It contains explosive details about the men responsible for the most serious, co-ordinated abuse. “Possibly the most shocking threat is the existence of substantial and organised offender networks that groom and exploit victims on a worrying scale,” the report says. “Practitioners throughout the force state there is a problem with networks of Asian offenders both locally and nationally. This was particularly stressed in Sheffield and even more so in Rotherham, where there appears to be a significant problem with networks of Asian males exploiting young white females.” Such groups are said to have trafficked South Yorkshire child victims “to many other cities, including Bristol, Manchester, Birmingham, Bradford and Dover”.

Another confidential 2010 report. for the Rotherham Safeguarding Children Board, noted that such crimes had “cultural characteristics . . . which are locally sensitive in terms of diversity”.

It said: “There are sensitivities of ethnicity with potential to endanger the harmony of community relationships. Great care will be taken in drafting . . . this report to ensure that its findings embrace Rotherham’s qualities of diversity. It is imperative that suggestions of a wider cultural phenomenon are avoided.”

Alleged crimes for which no one was prosecuted include:

Fifty-four Rotherham children were linked to sexual exploitation by three brothers from one British Pakistani family, 18 identifying one brother as their “boyfriend” and several allegedly made pregnant by him;

A 14-year-old girl from a loving, supportive family was allegedly held in a flat and forced to perform sex acts on five men, four of them Pakistani, plus a 32-year-old Iraqi Kurd asylum seeker. She gave a filmed police interview and identified her abusers;

One girl, 15, spent days in hospital after a broken bottle was allegedly forced inside her by two young British Pakistani men in a park, causing her to bleed extensively;

A 13-year-old girl was found at 3am with disrupted clothing in a house with a large group of Asian men who had fed her vodka. A neighbour reported the girl’s screams.

Police arrested the child for being drunk and disorderly but did not question the men;
A specialist project’s intelligence report for police identified 61 girls — 59 white, two Asian — linked to sexual exploitation by three brothers from another British Pakistani family. It named 41 associates of the brothers who allegedly used girls for sex.

The confidential documents revealed today suggest a failure by police and social services to protect teenagers and bring charges against their abusers, even when agencies held detailed intelligence about the men and their victims.

They also reveal that one young white girl, known by social services to have been sexually abused by Asian men from the age of 12, was offered language lessons in Urdu and Punjabi by Rotherham council. The aim was “to engage” her in education.

Denis MacShane, MP for Rotherham, said he was appalled that in several meetings with senior South Yorkshire police officers to discuss internal trafficking, “no one has ever revealed or even hinted at the important allegations made by The Times”.

He added: “There’s a culture here of denial and cover-up and a refusal to accept the reality that we have men living in the Rotherham community who treat young girls as objects for their sexual pleasure. It’s time to tell the truth. We must root out this evil.”

In 2002, the confidential report of a Home Office-funded research project considered a series of Rotherham case studies. It criticised police for “in all cases” treating young victims “as deviant and promiscuous” while “the men they were found with were never questioned or investigated”.

There have only been two group prosecutions in South Yorkshire since 1996, when concerns were first raised about grooming networks. Several Iraqi Kurds were charged in Sheffield in 2007 and eight British Pakistanis went on trial in Rotherham in 2010.

Throughout this period, Rotherham council has failed to accept the role of ethnicity and culture in such group offending. Earlier this year, this newspaper revealed how the town’s safeguarding children board censored a report into the murder of a 17-year-old girl to conceal the ethnicity of the British Pakistani men suspected of using her for sex from the age of 11.

You say its not a cultural problem, yet this report is from a man who investigated the problem for 2 years.....................he knows more than you...............so shut the **** up.

 

[BadFish]

Badfish you don't see it because you are blind to the truth. You constantly and disengeniously distort what you read from other posters and/or the press into something other than the undeniable facts. You excuse, you mitigate you are an appalling apologist.................frankly you are a bigot.

http://www.private-eye.co.uk/paul_foot.php

An article by Andrew Norfolk that appeared in The Times in September 2012.

Police files reveal vast child protection scandal
By Andrew Norfolk @ The Times
Confidential police reports and intelligence files that reveal a hidden truth about the sale and extensive use of English children for sex are exposed today.

They show that for more than a decade organised groups of men were able to groom, pimp and traffic girls across the country with virtual impunity. Offenders were identified to police but not prosecuted.

A child welfare expert, speaking under condition of anonymity, said that agencies’ reluctance to tackle such street-grooming networks was “the biggest child protection scandal of our time”.

The Times has published several articles about a pattern of crimes across northern England and the Midlands involving groups of men, largely of Pakistani heritage, and the sexual abuse of white girls aged from 12 to 16.

We can now reveal evidence from more than 200 restricted-access documents, which show that, in one area, police and child protection agencies have held extensive knowledge of this crime model for ten years, yet have never publicly acknowledged its existence.

The internal police and social services correspondence, research papers, intelligence reports and case files are a detailed history of alleged child sexual exploitation in South Yorkshire since 2000, focusing on Rotherham. They include a confidential 2010 report by the police intelligence bureau warning that thousands of such crimes were committed in the county each year.

It contains explosive details about the men responsible for the most serious, co-ordinated abuse. “Possibly the most shocking threat is the existence of substantial and organised offender networks that groom and exploit victims on a worrying scale,” the report says. “Practitioners throughout the force state there is a problem with networks of Asian offenders both locally and nationally. This was particularly stressed in Sheffield and even more so in Rotherham, where there appears to be a significant problem with networks of Asian males exploiting young white females.” Such groups are said to have trafficked South Yorkshire child victims “to many other cities, including Bristol, Manchester, Birmingham, Bradford and Dover”.

Another confidential 2010 report. for the Rotherham Safeguarding Children Board, noted that such crimes had “cultural characteristics . . . which are locally sensitive in terms of diversity”.

It said: “There are sensitivities of ethnicity with potential to endanger the harmony of community relationships. Great care will be taken in drafting . . . this report to ensure that its findings embrace Rotherham’s qualities of diversity. It is imperative that suggestions of a wider cultural phenomenon are avoided.”

Alleged crimes for which no one was prosecuted include:

Fifty-four Rotherham children were linked to sexual exploitation by three brothers from one British Pakistani family, 18 identifying one brother as their “boyfriend” and several allegedly made pregnant by him;

A 14-year-old girl from a loving, supportive family was allegedly held in a flat and forced to perform sex acts on five men, four of them Pakistani, plus a 32-year-old Iraqi Kurd asylum seeker. She gave a filmed police interview and identified her abusers;

One girl, 15, spent days in hospital after a broken bottle was allegedly forced inside her by two young British Pakistani men in a park, causing her to bleed extensively;

A 13-year-old girl was found at 3am with disrupted clothing in a house with a large group of Asian men who had fed her vodka. A neighbour reported the girl’s screams.

Police arrested the child for being drunk and disorderly but did not question the men;
A specialist project’s intelligence report for police identified 61 girls — 59 white, two Asian — linked to sexual exploitation by three brothers from another British Pakistani family. It named 41 associates of the brothers who allegedly used girls for sex.

The confidential documents revealed today suggest a failure by police and social services to protect teenagers and bring charges against their abusers, even when agencies held detailed intelligence about the men and their victims.

They also reveal that one young white girl, known by social services to have been sexually abused by Asian men from the age of 12, was offered language lessons in Urdu and Punjabi by Rotherham council. The aim was “to engage” her in education.

Denis MacShane, MP for Rotherham, said he was appalled that in several meetings with senior South Yorkshire police officers to discuss internal trafficking, “no one has ever revealed or even hinted at the important allegations made by The Times”.

He added: “There’s a culture here of denial and cover-up and a refusal to accept the reality that we have men living in the Rotherham community who treat young girls as objects for their sexual pleasure. It’s time to tell the truth. We must root out this evil.”

In 2002, the confidential report of a Home Office-funded research project considered a series of Rotherham case studies. It criticised police for “in all cases” treating young victims “as deviant and promiscuous” while “the men they were found with were never questioned or investigated”.

There have only been two group prosecutions in South Yorkshire since 1996, when concerns were first raised about grooming networks. Several Iraqi Kurds were charged in Sheffield in 2007 and eight British Pakistanis went on trial in Rotherham in 2010.

Throughout this period, Rotherham council has failed to accept the role of ethnicity and culture in such group offending. Earlier this year, this newspaper revealed how the town’s safeguarding children board censored a report into the murder of a 17-year-old girl to conceal the ethnicity of the British Pakistani men suspected of using her for sex from the age of 11.

You say its not a cultural problem, yet this report is from a man who investigated the problem for 2 years.....................he knows more than you...............so shut the **** up.

No!

All I am asking is that Soulman backs up what he is saying with some credible evidence, so far he has not. How this makes me a bigot and you to get abusive I will never know.

 

[BadFish]

Badfish you don't see it because you are blind to the truth. You constantly and disengeniously distort what you read from other posters and/or the press into something other than the undeniable facts. You excuse, you mitigate you are an appalling apologist.................frankly you are a bigot.

http://www.private-eye.co.uk/paul_foot.php

An article by Andrew Norfolk that appeared in The Times in September 2012.

Police files reveal vast child protection scandal
By Andrew Norfolk @ The Times
Confidential police reports and intelligence files that reveal a hidden truth about the sale and extensive use of English children for sex are exposed today.

They show that for more than a decade organised groups of men were able to groom, pimp and traffic girls across the country with virtual impunity. Offenders were identified to police but not prosecuted.

A child welfare expert, speaking under condition of anonymity, said that agencies’ reluctance to tackle such street-grooming networks was “the biggest child protection scandal of our time”.

The Times has published several articles about a pattern of crimes across northern England and the Midlands involving groups of men, largely of Pakistani heritage, and the sexual abuse of white girls aged from 12 to 16.

We can now reveal evidence from more than 200 restricted-access documents, which show that, in one area, police and child protection agencies have held extensive knowledge of this crime model for ten years, yet have never publicly acknowledged its existence.

The internal police and social services correspondence, research papers, intelligence reports and case files are a detailed history of alleged child sexual exploitation in South Yorkshire since 2000, focusing on Rotherham. They include a confidential 2010 report by the police intelligence bureau warning that thousands of such crimes were committed in the county each year.

It contains explosive details about the men responsible for the most serious, co-ordinated abuse. “Possibly the most shocking threat is the existence of substantial and organised offender networks that groom and exploit victims on a worrying scale,” the report says. “Practitioners throughout the force state there is a problem with networks of Asian offenders both locally and nationally. This was particularly stressed in Sheffield and even more so in Rotherham, where there appears to be a significant problem with networks of Asian males exploiting young white females.” Such groups are said to have trafficked South Yorkshire child victims “to many other cities, including Bristol, Manchester, Birmingham, Bradford and Dover”.

Another confidential 2010 report. for the Rotherham Safeguarding Children Board, noted that such crimes had “cultural characteristics . . . which are locally sensitive in terms of diversity”.

It said: “There are sensitivities of ethnicity with potential to endanger the harmony of community relationships. Great care will be taken in drafting . . . this report to ensure that its findings embrace Rotherham’s qualities of diversity. It is imperative that suggestions of a wider cultural phenomenon are avoided.”

Alleged crimes for which no one was prosecuted include:

Fifty-four Rotherham children were linked to sexual exploitation by three brothers from one British Pakistani family, 18 identifying one brother as their “boyfriend” and several allegedly made pregnant by him;

A 14-year-old girl from a loving, supportive family was allegedly held in a flat and forced to perform sex acts on five men, four of them Pakistani, plus a 32-year-old Iraqi Kurd asylum seeker. She gave a filmed police interview and identified her abusers;

One girl, 15, spent days in hospital after a broken bottle was allegedly forced inside her by two young British Pakistani men in a park, causing her to bleed extensively;

A 13-year-old girl was found at 3am with disrupted clothing in a house with a large group of Asian men who had fed her vodka. A neighbour reported the girl’s screams.

Police arrested the child for being drunk and disorderly but did not question the men;
A specialist project’s intelligence report for police identified 61 girls — 59 white, two Asian — linked to sexual exploitation by three brothers from another British Pakistani family. It named 41 associates of the brothers who allegedly used girls for sex.

The confidential documents revealed today suggest a failure by police and social services to protect teenagers and bring charges against their abusers, even when agencies held detailed intelligence about the men and their victims.

They also reveal that one young white girl, known by social services to have been sexually abused by Asian men from the age of 12, was offered language lessons in Urdu and Punjabi by Rotherham council. The aim was “to engage” her in education.

Denis MacShane, MP for Rotherham, said he was appalled that in several meetings with senior South Yorkshire police officers to discuss internal trafficking, “no one has ever revealed or even hinted at the important allegations made by The Times”.

He added: “There’s a culture here of denial and cover-up and a refusal to accept the reality that we have men living in the Rotherham community who treat young girls as objects for their sexual pleasure. It’s time to tell the truth. We must root out this evil.”

In 2002, the confidential report of a Home Office-funded research project considered a series of Rotherham case studies. It criticised police for “in all cases” treating young victims “as deviant and promiscuous” while “the men they were found with were never questioned or investigated”.

There have only been two group prosecutions in South Yorkshire since 1996, when concerns were first raised about grooming networks. Several Iraqi Kurds were charged in Sheffield in 2007 and eight British Pakistanis went on trial in Rotherham in 2010.

Throughout this period, Rotherham council has failed to accept the role of ethnicity and culture in such group offending. Earlier this year, this newspaper revealed how the town’s safeguarding children board censored a report into the murder of a 17-year-old girl to conceal the ethnicity of the British Pakistani men suspected of using her for sex from the age of 11.

You say its not a cultural problem, yet this report is from a man who investigated the problem for 2 years.....................he knows more than you...............so shut the **** up.

So this highlights a certain model of pedophilia involving ('probably', there is no mention of Islam in your article) Muslims which needs to be addressed. Your article, the same as Soulman's examples, shows that this group are involved in Pedophilia.

 

[User removed 4]

Yet another incident of violence from the "tiny minority" of Muslims that support extremism, and this one a fvcking asylum seeker that we're supporting as well.

http://www.darlingtonandstocktontim...oiced_support_for_Woolwich_victim__Lee_Rigby/

If extremism was as unacceptable amongst muslims as is made out why this reaction ?

 

[BadFish]

Yet another incident of violence from the "tiny minority" of Muslims that support extremism, and this one a fvcking asylum seeker that we're supporting as well.

http://www.darlingtonandstocktontim...oiced_support_for_Woolwich_victim__Lee_Rigby/

Until you can prove that it is anything other than a 'tiny minority' you can keep posting links to individual incidents and pretend that it all adds up to some kind of radical Mulsim invasion all you like. Just as i could find report of white english people doing evil things, that doesn't meant hat we are all evil.

Like I say, you will continue to let your prejudice inform your reality and i will continue to disagree. So I think I am done here.

Enjoy your evening

 

[pastafarian]

And these Sharia courts, What exactly is your problem with them?

My understanding is that they are only in place for Muslim people to resolve disputes between Muslims who wish to use them. The sound more like mediators than courts to me. I don't get how they effect you in the slightest. Surely if that is how they want to resolve their disputes then they should be allowed to.

i would like to step in here,but only on this point.everything else is getting too heated.

Sharia courts are in place in this country that is a fact.We are told they are in place to resolve disputes in the Muslim community as you pointed out,this would be fine if it was dealing with my neighbor stole my lawnmower but they are not they also deal with issues which should be resolved by the UK/English/European Courts.......This has to be fundamentally wrong. I also saw that panorama documentary with regards to the lady that wanted a divorce and it was shocking how she was abused,with sharia used as a benchmark for her legal rights

 

[Soulman]

I was aware of this before it came out, did not post about it in case it was just a rumour, or i got asked every hour to reveal my source. Anyway much as this report suggests that the police are playing down the actual events, they did happen.
www.thecommentator.com/article/3766...h_town_after_muslim_youths_attack_white_girls

 

[Soulman]

i would like to step in here,but only on this point.everything else is getting too heated.

Sharia courts are in place in this country that is a fact.We are told they are in place to resolve disputes in the Muslim community as you pointed out,this would be fine if it was dealing with my neighbor stole my lawnmower but they are not they also deal with issues which should be resolved by the UK/English/European Courts.......This has to be fundamentally wrong. I also saw that panorama documentary with regards to the lady that wanted a divorce and it was shocking how she was abused,with sharia used as a benchmark for her legal rights

Exactly, the women are on a hiding to nothing in these Sharia Courts, unfortunately their are still posters that think that the Sharia Courts just deal with small disputes.

 

[pastafarian]

I was aware of this before it came out, did not post about it in case it was just a rumour, or i got asked every hour to reveal my source. Anyway much as this report suggests that the police are playing down the actual events, they did happen.
www.thecommentator.com/article/3766...h_town_after_muslim_youths_attack_white_girls

ive watched this 3 times now and fail to see its anything other than twatty kids acting twatty on a twatty drunken night.
please give insight as to otherwise.....