Yet another UKIP councilor who's 'views did not represent the majority of the UKIP'

[Westdene Seagull]

I trust my judgement and I judge UKIP to be a party of morons, full of morons for morons.

And what about those of us who want out of the EU ? Who are we meant to vote for ( remembering that the Tories are extremely unlikely to win ) ?

As for your sweeping generalisation - My judgement on actors is that they are over paid, emotional lovies - but that is equally unfair isn't it ?

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

And what about those of us who want out of the EU ? Who are we meant to vote for ( remembering that the Tories are extremely unlikely to win ) ?

As for your sweeping generalisation - My judgement on actors is that they are over paid, emotional lovies - but that is equally unfair isn't it ?

The Tories are giving you a referendum. If the nation really really wants out they will vote Cameron in.

 

[seagullsovergrimsby]

The Tories are giving you a referendum. If the nation really really wants out they will vote Cameron in.

Cameron only committed to a EU IN/OUT referendum in 2017 because he knew they wouldn't be in power then and it will cause dissent when the next lot take power and say there is no need for a referendum.

 

[Nibble]

And what about those of us who want out of the EU ? Who are we meant to vote for ( remembering that the Tories are extremely unlikely to win ) ?

As for your sweeping generalisation - My judgement on actors is that they are over paid, emotional lovies - but that is equally unfair isn't it ?

Not really. Most actors are absolute dicks.

 

[Diego Napier]

Actually their economic policies are completely different. While the BNP advocate nationalisation of public utilities and other socialist measures including import and export controls, UKIP adopts a classic nineteenth century neo-liberal position, hence their commitment to free trade, as opposed to protectionism. UKIP remains an anti-EU offshoot of the Tories, which because of disgust with the establishment parties has managed to become the party of protest. Kilroy-Sulk went off and formed his own ego party pretentiously named Veritas, which after polling derisory votes in a number of elections all but folded.

Corrected for you (particularly as you're referring to British politics)

 

[Westdene Seagull]

The Tories are giving you a referendum. If the nation really really wants out they will vote Cameron in.

What ? In the same way Labour promised a referendum on the Lisbon Treaty ? When it comes to the EU the Tories and Labour are as trustworthy as a rapist in a strip joint.

 

[Nibble]

I hope we stay with the EU, I really don't wish our country to end up some isolated anomaly excluded from Europe and palling up with whatever nutjob US President is in power just because a bunch of ill informed right wing loony's woke up with an idea one day. No thank you sireee. Does anyone honestly believe Farage and his band of illiterate gumbledukes who haven't even got the sense to stay out of trouble when their party is the most popular it's ever been are going to steer the UK to prosperity?

 

[Kevlar]

for my pennies worth I oppose the EU on the basis that free movement of capital and labour
is good for capital and bad for labour.
I do support immigration for people who are oppressed and victims of violence in their own country.
I do think spouses of UK citizens should be welcomed into UK even if their UK
spouses do not earn much.
I do not support immigration of the " best and the brightest" we should train our children to
be the best and the brightest and poor countries should be able to keep their best and brightest.
AS to racism and UKIP whether the leaders of UKIP are racist or not I do not know but I think
they have a clear pitch if you are racist you can vote for us even the Tories with their meaningless
platitudes to cut immigration( not within their power in EU) or the failures of multiculturalism
it is the same thing we are not racists but if you are put your x next to us

 

[Tubby-McFat-Fuc]

I hope we stay with the EU, I really don't wish our country to end up some isolated anomaly excluded from Europe and palling up with whatever nutjob US President is in power just because a bunch of ill informed right wing loony's woke up with an idea one day. No thank you sireee.

Out of interest, why do you think leaving the EU automatically will make us isolated and palling up with the US?

 

[Danny-Boy]

What a load of shit.

Her views/opinions may be stupid, but she said "“I believe that all business owners, Christian, Muslim, gay, straight, should be allowed to withhold their services from whomever that choose whenever they choose. It’s their business. Why should they be forced to serve or sell to anyone?”

It's a bit sad then when a paper jumps on it and makes it a sexist/gay issue. Typical. IMO her views are stupid, but she hasn't singled out gays or women, the Argus has done that for her!

I always thought publicans could anyway. Or can't they now?

 

[Danny-Boy]

The Tories are giving you a referendum. If the nation really really wants out they will vote Cameron in.

If he's still their Leader. Which I bet he won't be.

 

[pastafarian]

Like any far-right party, they're all bad eggs, you'd have to be to associate yourself with their manifesto.

God help us if they gained any kind of power in this country.

Thats your personal viewpoint,when the election comes i will listen to all viewpoints,i will listen to everyones stand on important issues,i will be influenced by which party i have supported in the past,i admit that,But i will try at least to be open minded.

I have liked in the past both tory and labour policies,i have also hated some tory and labour policies equally.

I will never ever listen to people like you though,i automatically switch off when someone compares UKIP to the far right,its usually the same idiots carrying placards that read Nazi Tory Scum,its childish.It might be fun at a student union meeting but simply makes you look daft and juvenile in the real world.

BY all means take their policies and dismantle them and discredit them as unworkable till your heart is content,but simply labeling them as far right bad eggs makes you look silly,bury your head in the sand and dismiss them as lunatics if you want but the truth is they are making political progress.......a real idiot would refuse to ask the question why?

And no i have never voted UKIP

 

[piersa]

Not really. Most actors are absolute dicks.

And you would know because you know virtually none of them. Another sweeping, cretinous generalisation. You are entertaining though, carry on.

 

[piersa]

I can't even read what your daft little smiley thing says. I trust my judgement and I judge UKIP to be a party of morons, full of morons for morons.

It says, post whore.

 

[Tubby-McFat-Fuc]

Thats your personal viewpoint,when the election comes i will listen to all viewpoints,i will listen to everyones stand on important issues,i will be influenced by which party i have supported in the past,i admit that,But i will try at least to be open minded.

I have liked in the past both tory and labour policies,i have also hated some tory and labour policies equally.

I will never ever listen to people like you though,i automatically switch off when someone compares UKIP to the far right,its usually the same idiots carrying placards that read Nazi Tory Scum,its childish.It might be fun at a student union meeting but simply makes you look daft and juvenile in the real world.

BY all means take their policies and dismantle them and discredit them as unworkable till your heart is content,but simply labeling them as far right bad eggs makes you look silly,bury your head in the sand and dismiss them as lunatics if you want but the truth is they are making political progress.......a real idiot would refuse to ask the question why?

And no i have never voted UKIP

Brilliant.

Post of the thread....... (after all mine!!)

 

[daveinprague]

A couple of the reasons, that I will consider UKIP....'far right and racist'

'Dr Alan Sked , UKIP’s founder leader, 1993-97 has said: “They [UKIP] are racist and have been infected by the far right”



'Nigel Farage
(UKIP MEP since 1999, leader of the UKIP group of MEPs in the European Parliament since 2004; former UKIP Chairman, 1998-2000 and co-founder, UKIP)
told former UKIP leader Dr Alan Sked “We will never win the ****** vote. The nig-nogs will never vote for us”, according to Dr Sked'

 

[Buzzer]

A couple of the reasons, that I will consider UKIP....'far right and racist'

'Dr Alan Sked , UKIP’s founder leader, 1993-97 has said: “They [UKIP] are racist and have been infected by the far right”



'Nigel Farage
(UKIP MEP since 1999, leader of the UKIP group of MEPs in the European Parliament since 2004; former UKIP Chairman, 1998-2000 and co-founder, UKIP)
told former UKIP leader Dr Alan Sked “We will never win the ****** vote. The nig-nogs will never vote for us”, according to Dr Sked'

This would be the same Dr Alan Sked who was kicked out of the Bruges Group for being too extremist amidst complaints that more moderate members were embarrassed to be associated with him? The same Dr Alan Sked who shared a platform with Enoch Powell when contesting two by-elections in Newbury in 1993?

History is littered with deposed ex-leaders of parties accusing their successors of all sorts of nastiness. And that quote re. Farage has never been proven. Sked says Farage did say it, Farage says he didn't.

I'm no fan of UKIP but your one-man crusade on here against them is, frankly, pathetic. Made all the more so when you don't live here and haven't lived here for ages. I remember you once saying that you had a greater insight into black people and the challenges they face than the rest of us because you lived amongst black people and were a part of their culture. Let's turn that on its head for a minute - by that token your views, your opinions, your bile about the UKIP carries significantly less weight than any person living here in the UK.

I tell you what, you come back to live in the UK and then I'll take seriously your preaching about who I should and shouldn't vote for, until then it's not really any of your business because you're not here and reading about the UK on websites and papers, coming back for a couple of weeks at a time, listening to second-hand stories from Brits is absolutely no substitute.

 

[Bold Seagull]

They exploit domestic ordinary fears like any good far right party does, immigration, European membership, foreign aid, taxation, crime, wind farms, multi-culturalism, you name in, they'll exploit and tap into it.

As people on here have said, 'if I want to be out of Europe, who do I vote for...'

They're not a member of the Europe of Freedom and Democracy (EFD) for nothing. Farage is co president along with Lega Nord’s (far right Italian party) Francesco Speroni, who described multiple murderer Anders Breivik as someone whose “ideas are in defence of western civilisation."

Mario Borghezio, another member of the group, declared in a radio interview that Breivik had some "excellent" ideas. Farage’s reaction was to write a strongly-worded letter to Borghezio, asking him to withdraw his comments or Ukip would pull out of the EFD. Borghezio not only did not apologise, but responded with an extraordinary speech in which he raged: "Long live the Whites of Europe, long live our identity, our ethnicity, our race… our blue sky, like the eyes of our women. Blue, in a people who want to stay white."

Nigel Farage did not withdraw from the EFD. He continues to co-preside over it, along with the leader of the Lega Nord. MEP Nikki Sinclaire, however, was expelled from UKIP for refusing to take part in the EFD because of their “extreme views”.

Farage is a fascist, dig behind the media savvy persona and that is what you'll find. Their traction in politics is the same traction any fascist party establishes, play on the fears of the public, 'they're taking your jobs', 'Europe is draining your taxes', 'Islam is taking over the country' etc. etc.

These deep seated views rise to the surface every now and again and they can put it down to 'a few bad eggs', or 'I'd rather have a party of eccentrics', but really, most of us know what they're about.

 

[daveinprague]

Buzzer
I would have thought, that a serious politician, being quoted as saying that filth, would have taken the matter to court. The fact that he hasnt tells me enough.

My one man crusade? lol....get a grip of yourself .. this is the first time, ive ever started a thread about these doughnuts, and Im certinaly not the only person on this thread that considers the UKIP a bit of a bunch of far right racists and bigots..
Ive commented on threads, but SO HAVE YOU.....get off your high horse.

and living in Europe, gives me EVERY right to comment on this party, whose main means of impact are MEPs

 

[brightn'ove]

Pass as many laws as you like it won't stop people from being people...

..and some people are racist and some people are homophobic.

You are right, there are EXACTLY the same amount of racist people now as there ever has been ...

Attitudes change, and they need pushing in order to change.