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Yet again Brighton & HOve have conned us..



Gotsmanov

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Aug 13, 2003
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Brighton
I've lived in town all my life bar a few stints abroad, and am relieved that something has finally been done on that site. It was a derelict, shitty wasteland for years, crying out for investment. The council never had the means to develop the land so obviously it had to go to a developer. REMEMBER, we live in a capitalist society - we buy, we sell, there's two sides to a deal (and a deal is only agreed if BOTH parties think they're getting something) and people make money. This isn't Cuba or Venezuela. Someone was always going to make money out of the site, and good luck to them. At least they bothered. I don't buy the "ooh a leisure centre" argument - I don't see people clamouring to campaign for a new set of badminton courts in the letters page of the Argus, nor do I think we need more tennis courts / gyms in the town - there's plenty. We have two swimming pools, and it's never "one-in-one-out". We do need a decent "02" gig venue (but then hey, most cities in the UK would love an "02"!) and that will be largely dependent on... guess what... developers' money, to take on the risk, and maybe convert the old Bingo hall (Carling Academy?) and the Brighton Centre. The Blackrock development looks interesting, as does the King Alfred.

Remember, we need tourism (and hence hotels). It drivess the economy down here. It's the reason Brighton is the conurbation it is today, fuelled by Dr Richard Russell's exploits in the late 18th c.

"Plus a smattering of cheaply built massively overpriced flats that Londoners will buy up again forcing people with average incomes off the property ladder. " - well, actually, prices only go up if demand goes up without supply changing. Build more, and build the correct number, and market forces dictate that prices don't change. Quite simply, house prices have gone up by 281% (source: Halifax) in the last 10 years down here because (a) demand outstrips supply (b) it's a f***ing great place to live. Luxury city centre living is NEVER cheap and so I doubt it's ever a first rung of the property ladder anyway. If Londoners want to buy these dwellings by the station, then great. Bothered. More "London" money down here will get pushed into the local economy. Londoners occupying 'new-builds' implicitly says that no one is being moved out to the suburbs, as there were no residents in the new-builds to displace in the first place.

I remember how shit the seafront and town centre was 15 years ago - but the council worked with developers to sort out Churchill Sq and did some great EU-money sourcing to completely overhaul the seafront, and now we've got a great area in the spring / summer / autumn to drink, play sports and chill out. We even have a designated floodlit beach volleyball facility near the marina, so I don't buy your argument that we've been let down and nothing is being done for "residents". This place is a heck of a lot better than it was 15 years ago, and if it takes capitalist market forces to provide investment / development in what was a SHIT area, then i'm all for it. Next phase should be to get in the developers and completely demolish London Road/Lewes Road area and regenerate it. I don't care if they make a zillion quid doing it - it's shit now and i'd like to see it improved.
 






The Large One

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Jul 7, 2003
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I've lived in town all my life bar a few stints abroad, and am relieved that something has finally been done on that site. It was a derelict, shitty wasteland for years, crying out for investment. The council never had the means to develop the land so obviously it had to go to a developer. REMEMBER, we live in a capitalist society - we buy, we sell, there's two sides to a deal (and a deal is only agreed if BOTH parties think they're getting something) and people make money. This isn't Cuba or Venezuela. Someone was always going to make money out of the site, and good luck to them. At least they bothered. I don't buy the "ooh a leisure centre" argument - I don't see people clamouring to campaign for a new set of badminton courts in the letters page of the Argus, nor do I think we need more tennis courts / gyms in the town - there's plenty. We have two swimming pools, and it's never "one-in-one-out". We do need a decent "02" gig venue (but then hey, most cities in the UK would love an "02"!) and that will be largely dependent on... guess what... developers' money, to take on the risk, and maybe convert the old Bingo hall (Carling Academy?) and the Brighton Centre. The Blackrock development looks interesting, as does the King Alfred.

Remember, we need tourism (and hence hotels). It drivess the economy down here. It's the reason Brighton is the conurbation it is today, fuelled by Dr Richard Russell's exploits in the late 18th c.

"Plus a smattering of cheaply built massively overpriced flats that Londoners will buy up again forcing people with average incomes off the property ladder. " - well, actually, prices only go up if demand goes up without supply changing. Build more, and build the correct number, and market forces dictate that prices don't change. Quite simply, house prices have gone up by 281% (source: Halifax) in the last 10 years down here because (a) demand outstrips supply (b) it's a f***ing great place to live. Luxury city centre living is NEVER cheap and so I doubt it's ever a first rung of the property ladder anyway. If Londoners want to buy these dwellings by the station, then great. Bothered. More "London" money down here will get pushed into the local economy. Londoners occupying 'new-builds' implicitly says that no one is being moved out to the suburbs, as there were no residents in the new-builds to displace in the first place.

I remember how shit the seafront and town centre was 15 years ago - but the council worked with developers to sort out Churchill Sq and did some great EU-money sourcing to completely overhaul the seafront, and now we've got a great area in the spring / summer / autumn to drink, play sports and chill out. We even have a designated floodlit beach volleyball facility near the marina, so I don't buy your argument that we've been let down and nothing is being done for "residents". This place is a heck of a lot better than it was 15 years ago, and if it takes capitalist market forces to provide investment / development in what was a SHIT area, then i'm all for it. Next phase should be to get in the developers and completely demolish London Road/Lewes Road area and regenerate it. I don't care if they make a zillion quid doing it - it's shit now and i'd like to see it improved.

The man speaks sense. :bowdown:

In fact, you make Nibble sound like Hove Born & Bred. I didn't think that was possible.
 


Nibble

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Jan 3, 2007
19,238
:lolol: :lolol: :lolol:

Very good. See, you're getting the hang of this 'irony' lark now, aren't you, son?

Ahh, that old chestnut. You act daft and then when you get called on it you pretend you were being ironic (what you were being was not ironic anyway). That's good. Very cowardly , but good.
 


Nibble

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Jan 3, 2007
19,238
The man speaks sense. :bowdown:

In fact, you make Nibble sound like Hove Born & Bred. I didn't think that was possible.

He speaks sense to you 'cos he agrees with you. In fact what is happening is the area is being turned into a mediocre clone of any town in England. I agree that something had to be done with the wasteland but a f***ing supermarket, come on!
 




Nibble

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Jan 3, 2007
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However I do agree that London Rd needs to be sorted big time.
 


Mendoza

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The planning committee seem pretty scared of modernising the town, that is why it is falling backwards a little bit.

No stadium in a City is a shambles, but that is onyl the start of it.

The regeneration of Brighton Station area looks quite cheap. The station itself is one of the only main train stations that doesnt have a mini shopping mall/fast food joints inside it.

London Road - dont get me started on how shit that looks, and the SCUM that wonder up and down it. With the closing of Co-OP and the opening of Aldi, it will be proper bottom of the pit - THANKFULLY some mastermind had the foresight to make it into a one way road so it is NOT the FIRST thing you see as you drive into our fair city, but instead you get the level and St Peters Church

Churchill Square already looks a bit outdated and run down, but they have tried to combat that with the Jubilee area being regenerated, and it does look OK.

The North Lanes look a bit grim expecially as the Christmas lights are broken already, and no one can be arsed to fix them.

Maybe the I360 will change how the town is perceived. As if it wasnt for that, I think the most modern the place has got is the introduction of Oceana!!!
 


Nibble

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Jan 3, 2007
19,238
The planning committee seem pretty scared of modernising the town, that is why it is falling backwards a little bit.

No stadium in a City is a shambles, but that is onyl the start of it.

The regeneration of Brighton Station area looks quite cheap. The station itself is one of the only main train stations that doesnt have a mini shopping mall/fast food joints inside it.

London Road - dont get me started on how shit that looks, and the SCUM that wonder up and down it. With the closing of Co-OP and the opening of Aldi, it will be proper bottom of the pit - THANKFULLY some mastermind had the foresight to make it into a one way road so it is NOT the FIRST thing you see as you drive into our fair city, but instead you get the level and St Peters Church

Churchill Square already looks a bit outdated and run down, but they have tried to combat that with the Jubilee area being regenerated, and it does look OK.

The North Lanes look a bit grim expecially as the Christmas lights are broken already, and no one can be arsed to fix them.

Maybe the I360 will change how the town is perceived. As if it wasnt for that, I think the most modern the place has got is the introduction of Oceana!!!

Spot on.
 








keaton

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Nov 18, 2004
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I think replacing Co-Op with Aldi's actually a step to make it more upmarket
 






The Large One

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Jul 7, 2003
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Ahh, that old chestnut. You act daft and then when you get called on it you pretend you were being ironic (what you were being was not ironic anyway). That's good. Very cowardly , but good.

So by disagreeing with you, I don't know what I'm on about (I can't see the bigger picture / I'm short-sighted) to which I responded with the 'little wanker' jibe which was intended to be ironic. I thought that purely because I didn't think you meant it about the 'short-sighted' thing and the 'bigger picture' thing - but, because I disagree with you, it's clear you did mean it. Evidently, that irony passed you by.

And then you call me a coward - something I find completely repugnant and objectionable - twice, and you ask me to 'get a grip'?
 








Nibble

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Jan 3, 2007
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So by disagreeing with you, I don't know what I'm on about (I can't see the bigger picture / I'm short-sighted) to which I responded with the 'little wanker' jibe which was intended to be ironic. I thought that purely because I didn't think you meant it about the 'short-sighted' thing and the 'bigger picture' thing - but, because I disagree with you, it's clear you did mean it. Evidently, that irony passed you by.

And then you call me a coward - something I find completely repugnant and objectionable - twice, and you ask me to 'get a grip'?

Yes.
 


The Large One

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Jul 7, 2003
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The North Lanes look a bit grim expecially as the Christmas lights are broken already, and no one can be arsed to fix them.

One thing I would say about this area is that you couldn't claim that there are too many other towns and cities of having this particular kind of area in them - it is a defininte asset for Brighton. It's one of the bigger reasons why shoppers come from out of town to Brighton - and the council had very little to do with what the North Laine has become.

The only part they have had anything to do with (the library area) is already an eyesore with many retail units not taken up principally because of the astronomical rents.
 


WATFORD zero

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Jul 10, 2003
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I've lived in town all my life bar a few stints abroad, and am relieved that something has finally been done on that site. It was a derelict, shitty wasteland for years, crying out for investment. The council never had the means to develop the land so obviously it had to go to a developer. REMEMBER, we live in a capitalist society - we buy, we sell, there's two sides to a deal (and a deal is only agreed if BOTH parties think they're getting something) and people make money. This isn't Cuba or Venezuela. Someone was always going to make money out of the site, and good luck to them. At least they bothered. I don't buy the "ooh a leisure centre" argument - I don't see people clamouring to campaign for a new set of badminton courts in the letters page of the Argus, nor do I think we need more tennis courts / gyms in the town - there's plenty. We have two swimming pools, and it's never "one-in-one-out". We do need a decent "02" gig venue (but then hey, most cities in the UK would love an "02"!) and that will be largely dependent on... guess what... developers' money, to take on the risk, and maybe convert the old Bingo hall (Carling Academy?) and the Brighton Centre. The Blackrock development looks interesting, as does the King Alfred.

Remember, we need tourism (and hence hotels). It drivess the economy down here. It's the reason Brighton is the conurbation it is today, fuelled by Dr Richard Russell's exploits in the late 18th c.

"Plus a smattering of cheaply built massively overpriced flats that Londoners will buy up again forcing people with average incomes off the property ladder. " - well, actually, prices only go up if demand goes up without supply changing. Build more, and build the correct number, and market forces dictate that prices don't change. Quite simply, house prices have gone up by 281% (source: Halifax) in the last 10 years down here because (a) demand outstrips supply (b) it's a f***ing great place to live. Luxury city centre living is NEVER cheap and so I doubt it's ever a first rung of the property ladder anyway. If Londoners want to buy these dwellings by the station, then great. Bothered. More "London" money down here will get pushed into the local economy. Londoners occupying 'new-builds' implicitly says that no one is being moved out to the suburbs, as there were no residents in the new-builds to displace in the first place.

I remember how shit the seafront and town centre was 15 years ago - but the council worked with developers to sort out Churchill Sq and did some great EU-money sourcing to completely overhaul the seafront, and now we've got a great area in the spring / summer / autumn to drink, play sports and chill out. We even have a designated floodlit beach volleyball facility near the marina, so I don't buy your argument that we've been let down and nothing is being done for "residents". This place is a heck of a lot better than it was 15 years ago, and if it takes capitalist market forces to provide investment / development in what was a SHIT area, then i'm all for it. Next phase should be to get in the developers and completely demolish London Road/Lewes Road area and regenerate it. I don't care if they make a zillion quid doing it - it's shit now and i'd like to see it improved.


This man talks complete sense, or we have Chappers

YAY!

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Chappers gets my vote all the way :thumbsup:
 






Nibble

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Jan 3, 2007
19,238
Yep, I only wish there was one in Brighton for when I come back over xmas. Can water parks freeze? :D

Why go to a water park when you have a lovely new Sainsburys?
 


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