[Politics] Will Brexit Actually Happen

[Pretty pink fairy]

bye bye EU, door keys being given back to the UK
regards
DR

 

[cunning fergus]

Wasn't the Common market instigated to improve the lives of the citizens of its member states?
One thing I've learned during my lifetime is....... if you live in a shit house and do nothing you'll always live in a shit house. The same goes for lesser countries, if they're shift holes and you do nothing they'll always be shit holes.

When GB joined to common market there were 8 countries (abouts).

When were the citizens of those countries ever consulted about enlargement? Who makes the decision and how do citizens vote them out? Seriously.

If the U.K. taxpayer is continuously expected to contribute billions of pounds to an institution that hands it over to shithole countries do their citizens can get a better quality of life then we better have a referendum on it......let’s see how the electorate feels about it?

No wonder the NHS is in crisis when we are compelled to give money away....

 

[cunning fergus]

I don't claim to speak for any business leaders or tycoons or any description, but the vibe I'm getting is many would rather have Corbyn while inside the Single Market than not Corbyn but outside it. The fact John McDonnell gets an audience in the City is testament enough to that.

I think you are wrong.

Corbyn (and for the record I support much of his policies myself) will be a game change for the UK’s business community and not least the city.

The only way you would be correct is that Corbyn turns his back on socialist policies like nationalisation and commits to Tory free market capitalism to stay in the EU. This would be a complete betrayal of his historical political ideology and most recent views on Brexit such as creating “a customs union” not staying in “the customs union”.

With a Tory Brexit the U.K. will still be indulging the city and big business, maybe lowering corporation tax. Brexit plus Corbyn will see a major policy strategy that will increase taxes and regulation.

If you don’t understand this juxtaposition and it’s consequences for bankers and hedge fund managers you are a fool.

 

[A1X]

I think you are wrong.

Corbyn (and for the record I support much of his policies myself) will be a game change for the UK’s business community and not least the city.

The only way you would be correct is that Corbyn turns his back on socialist policies like nationalisation and commits to Tory free market capitalism to stay in the EU. This would be a complete betrayal of his historical political ideology and most recent views on Brexit such as creating “a customs union” not staying in “the customs union”.

With a Tory Brexit the U.K. will still be indulging the city and big business, maybe lowering corporation tax. Brexit plus Corbyn will see a major policy strategy that will increase taxes and regulation.

If you don’t understand this juxtaposition and it’s consequences for bankers and hedge fund managers you are a fool.

Sorry But I'm not planning on taking accusations of being a fool from someone who thinks Corbyn's agenda is especially socialist. Especially given the entirety of his 2017 manifesto (including the nationalisations) could be undertaken perfectly well within the EU framework. So he wouldn't need to commit to "Tory free market capitalism" to stay in the EU at all.

 

[cunning fergus]

Hahahaha..! Insignificant no - quite the opposite. Run by knobheads - possibly. Lying - no; I'm not talking about front office functions. In fact a friend is working for a Japanese bank which is in advanced stages of re-locating from London to Frankfurt. Maybe you don't know everything?

I know that any company that is already “dramatically reducing” its front office staff by a third in response to Brexit is an outlier and acting against government guidance. If you have staff in the UK that are engaged in providing financial services to EU citizens or businesses now then there is nothing to say transition or post Brexit that such services cannot continue as they are. The U.K. already complies with EU financial services law, it wrote/created most of it!

A no deal could mean technically services cannot be provided, but he EU would be cutting its nose off to spite us face.

Your company must be run by lnobheads.

 

[beorhthelm]

Sorry But I'm not planning on taking accusations of being a fool from someone who thinks Corbyn's agenda is especially socialist. Especially given the entirety of his 2017 manifesto (including the nationalisations) could be undertaken perfectly well within the EU framework.

really? did you miss the part about nationalisation of everything including finance? (its a consequence of setting up a £500bn investment fund, why go to the banks when you can go to the state?)

 

[cunning fergus]

Sorry But I'm not planning on taking accusations of being a fool from someone who thinks Corbyn's agenda is especially socialist. Especially given the entirety of his 2017 manifesto (including the nationalisations) could be undertaken perfectly well within the EU framework. So he wouldn't need to commit to "Tory free market capitalism" to stay in the EU at all.

Oh my........you are going to be quite refreshing fun on this thread.

This 2017 manifesto thingy.......was it based on the Labour Party supporting Brexit or staying in the EU?

 

[A1X]

really? did you miss the part about nationalisation of everything including finance? (its a consequence of setting up a £500bn investment fund, why go to the banks when you can go to the state?)

Still permitted under State Aid rules within the EU. Other EU countries do it.

 

[A1X]

Oh my........you are going to be quite refreshing fun on this thread.

This 2017 manifesto thingy.......was it based on the Labour Party supporting Brexit or staying in the EU?

They were promising a "jobs first Brexit". No such thing. So it's effectively a moot point. Starmer's five points for backing Brexit effectively are impossible for Brexit to achieve.

 

[oneillco]

I know that any company that is already “dramatically reducing” its front office staff by a third in response to Brexit is an outlier and acting against government guidance. If you have staff in the UK that are engaged in providing financial services to EU citizens or businesses now then there is nothing to say transition or post Brexit that such services cannot continue as they are. The U.K. already complies with EU financial services law, it wrote/created most of it!

A no deal could mean technically services cannot be provided, but he EU would be cutting its nose off to spite us face.

Your company must be run by lnobheads.

OK try your response again, but this time read what I actually said; i.e. NOT front office staff. Also out of interest why would a non-UK bank pay attention to UK government guidance?

 

[Mo Gosfield]

Please enlighten us about the "dangerous direction" the EU is heading in... (bullet points not an essay)

1) High unemployment.
2) Demographic decline.
3) Inflexible labour laws.
4) Growing anti-immigrant tensions.
5) Military weakness.
6) Russian resurgence ( Putin will do all in his power to undermine and destroy the EU )

 

[Wrong-Direction]

https://youtu.be/mCV5XWiW6gc

This is why you're all mad for doing politics.

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[Sorrel]

I thought before the vote took place that neither result would actually make much difference to anyone. I remain of that viewpoint.

We voted out, so we will be nominally out, but we will be outside looking very much in. If the vote had gone the other way, we would remain in, but our viewpoint would continue to be outward looking.

All the arguing about it is almost certainly a complete waste of time. We will remain a close partner of the other EU countries and legally bound to them in many ways.

 

[GT49er]

https://youtu.be/mCV5XWiW6gc

This is why you're all mad for doing politics.

Wreckless? Wreckless! More like hopeless...............

 

[Wrong-Direction]

Wreckless? Wreckless! More like hopeless...............

They're all the same, we are all being lied to each and every day but sadly most people are blind to it.

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[GT49er]

They're all the same, we are all being lied to each and every day but sadly most people are blind to it.

Lies or not, they're not going to convince anyone even vaguely intelligent if they can't even spell the lies correctly!

 

[JC Footy Genius]

Please enlighten us about the "dangerous direction" the EU is heading in... (bullet points not an essay)

Ever closer union = continuous diminishing of nation-states sovereignty.

The building blocks for constructing the Europhiles pipe dream Superstate has lead to numerous problems.

• The Eurozone crisis. (still unresolved)
• Crushing austerity imposed on some member states.
• Rising support for more extreme political parties across multiple EU member states including Germany.
• Migrant crisis exacerbated by Merkel's more the merrier statements.
• Imposing migrant quotas on other member states. The latest threat - "In the next distribution of structural funds," she (Merkel) said, "we need to redefine the allocation criteria to reflect the preparedness of regions and authorities to receive and integrate migrants."

The tensions and dangers are there for all to see.

 

[OzMike]

England?

GB.

 

[cunning fergus]

Still permitted under State Aid rules within the EU. Other EU countries do it.

State aid is permitted, you are correct there, however who decides if nationalisation is state aid?

Is it Corbyn (or the British PM) or is it someone that the British electorate can’t vote for?

This is important, don’t you think?

http://ec.europa.eu/competition/state_aid/overview/index_en.html

 

[cunning fergus]

They were promising a "jobs first Brexit". No such thing. So it's effectively a moot point. Starmer's five points for backing Brexit effectively are impossible for Brexit to achieve.

I see, so what you are saying here is that despite publically Labour supporting Brexit in the election last year, the party also committed to unrealistic demands that would mean it was “impossible” to leave.

Do you understand why some people voted for Brexit because they are sick of politicians (of all flavours) lying to them?

It appears that is a dynamic you are quite comfortable with?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...-When-it-becomes-serious-you-have-to-lie.html

Little wonder you support the EU.