That's a nice thought but working in London as need to work to pay for these layabouts lifestyle but no doubt we'll see him down at the camp, bump starting their vehicles and given them fresh tea and coffee on BBC South today.
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That's a nice thought but working in London as need to work to pay for these layabouts lifestyle but no doubt we'll see him down at the camp, bump starting their vehicles and given them fresh tea and coffee on BBC South today.
Garage_Doors
Originally the Swankers
So your saying the police have no powers to enter the wild park and check the vehicles roadworthyness along with insurance MOT etc?
Also its legal for them to drive on the grass?
Garage_Doors
Originally the Swankers
for FFS LB are you just acting stupid ? Its because there out using them for black market earning during the day.
Is it legal for them to drive on a parks grass?
Can i do it with my 4x4 at weekends?
Garage_Doors
Originally the Swankers
Do what they would do to an illegally parked vehicle, tow it, impound it, and charge for return or scrap it.
Its illegally parked isn't it?
Mutts Nuts
New member
- Oct 30, 2011
- 4,918
If any of them are blind with white sticks they should tazer the barstads
SIMMO SAYS
Well-known member
They arrived on Friday 5th October. In two days that will be two weeks for the 'greenies' to have shown them on their way. They have had a police camera van to 'protect' them for most of this time. The phrase 'Taking the Piss' could have been invented for this scenario. You know and I know this will happen again & again. They have more rights than us but do not contribute jack shit for their entire 'life' and must laugh themselves to sleep every fecking night.
albion534
Well-known member
The problem with these people, is if WE approach them, even being nice etc, we get abuse and our heads kicked in, they claim they were threatened or whatever
They say they want to live in peace? Well don't steal electricity, leave your shit for someone else to clear up, leave the grass in an un repairable state etc
And these people on here who defend them?? Saying what can the police or the council do?? Grow a f***ing pair and admit they're both scared of 'upsetting' them! And they would rather go after some law abiding citizen who has dropped a packet of crisps on the floor
They say they want to live in peace? Well don't steal electricity, leave your shit for someone else to clear up, leave the grass in an un repairable state etc
And these people on here who defend them?? Saying what can the police or the council do?? Grow a f***ing pair and admit they're both scared of 'upsetting' them! And they would rather go after some law abiding citizen who has dropped a packet of crisps on the floor
Freddie Goodwin.
Well-known member
I wonder what would happen, when the weather is better, if the Wild Park was used for stadium parking?
The Large One
Who's Next?
It sounds like you've completely convinced yourself that the council does nothing...
They have to go through the same procedures every council goes through to get an order to move them on. This administration is no quicker or slower than previous ones - despite what some people have deluded themselves into thinking.
Your mock outrage trying to bring in politics isn't fooling anyone - well, maybe some, actually.
Lord Bracknell
On fire
Mostly domestic garden and clearance work around Brighton and Hove, I understand.
I'm not defending the actions of travellers - merely pointing out that evictions are more complicated than you seem to think.
Lord Bracknell
On fire
Is that really what happens to "illegally parked vehicles"? Most people just get a parking ticket - if a parking offence has been committed. If a vehicle has been abandoned off the highway, there are other processes that can be brought to bear. But immediate impounding of a vehicle that is actually being driven isn't an option.
Lord Bracknell
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Lord Bracknell
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cjd
Well-known member
- Jan 18, 2009
- 4,891
Evictions are are complicated but then that's because they involve the rights of tenants and landlords.
This matter is essentially common trespass and should be treated as a criminal matter without the need for reference to the Council. It is not their land they have no right to live there. It is no more complex than that.
It's only complicated for those that want to make it so...........they will tend to be individuals/groups who will benefit financially or otherwise from the complexity. They are the kind of people/groups that tend to venerate the virtues of democracy until it comes to matters like this.......then they indulge themselves in petit fascism.
There's a lot of it about these days.
Lord Bracknell
On fire
Trespass itself is NOT a criminal offence, although it can become one if you interfere with the ‘lawful business’ taking place on the site. You cannot be arrested for trespass, and committing trespass DOES NOT give you a criminal record.
Unlike just common trespass, aggravated trespass is a criminal offence . To secure a conviction the police must first show that there was a ‘further act’ , beyond mere trespassing. Secondly, the police must show that this further act was intended to ‘deter, disrupt or obstruct’ the lawful business taking place.
- Jan 18, 2009
- 4,891
Indeed.
Like I say, it's not their land, they have no right to live there.
Not complex at all really, only for those who wish to make it so.
Lord Bracknell
On fire
Eviction of Gypsies and Travellers by the police - Shelter England
Eviction of Gypsies and Travellers by the police
If you are a Gypsy/Traveller and the council or a private landlord is trying to evict you from land you are occupying, they may call in the police to remove you. This page looks at the situations in which this can happen, and what you can do about it.
When do the police have the right to move me on?
By law, the police have the power to direct you to leave and remove your vehicles if:
* there are two or more people who intend to reside on the land without the owner's permission, and
* there are six or more vehicles parked on the land, or
* any of the people on the land have damaged the land or any property on the land in some way (this doesn't need to be extensive damage - it can include taking wood for a fire), or
* any of the people on the land have behaved in a threatening, abusive or insulting way towards the landowner or occupier or members of their family or their employees, and
* the landowner or occupier has asked you to leave.
The decision to direct you to leave must be made by a ‘senior police officer’ who is actually present on the land.
The police can also move you on if there are two or more people trespassing on the land with one or more vehicle and if there is a suitable alternative site available.
If you have permission to be on the land, the police can't move you on.
What do the police need to take into account before moving me on?
When deciding whether or not to move you on, the police need to take the following things into account. If you don't think they've done so, contact a local advice centre right away (see 'where can I get help and advice' below).
What are the consequences of moving you on?
The police need to consider what will happen if you're moved on. For example:
Will you be able to move to an authorised site, or will you have no choice but to park somewhere else illegally?
Will your children's education be disrupted? Will they be able to continue attending school if you move?
Will you be able to access health services if you have to move?
Will you lose your job, or be unable to find work if you move?
Are your vehicles in a fit state to make a journey?
Does everyone on the site needs to be moved?
If the police are moving you on because of antisocial behaviour, they should first make sure that your whole group isn't being punished for the bad behaviour of a few individuals. If this is the case, the police should only evict the troublemakers, and leave you in peace. Better still, if you can persuade the person who caused the problems to leave of their own accord, the police may agree to let everyone else stay.
Your personal circumstances
The police must also consider the health and safety of your household. For example, you may not have to move if anyone in your household is elderly, ill, or pregnant, or if you have small children, and a sudden move would endanger their health.
The police should also consider how long the site has been used by Gypsies/Travellers, and whether there has been any trouble in the past.
How do the police move me on?
In order to move you on, the police must come onto the land, and the senior police officer must ask you to leave. They may also give you a letter or written direction asking you to leave. You can ask them to give you time to speak to the landowner, to ask if you can stay on a little longer, although they don't have to grant you this time.
There is no minimum period of notice, so you'll be asked to leave as soon as you're able to, and you won't be able to return for three months.
What if I don't move on?
The police will ask you to move as soon as you're practically able to. For example, you should be given time to pack up the site and fix any broken down vehicles. If you don't leave within the time you're given, or you leave and subsequently trespass on the same land within three months, you'll be committing a criminal offence, and you may be arrested. The police will also have the right to tow away and impound your vehicles.
If you are then prosecuted for failing to comply with the police direction, or returning to trespass on the land, you can raise a defence if you can show that:
you were not trespassing on the land, or
you had a reasonable excuse for failing to leave the land as soon as reasonably practicable.
If you are convicted, you may be fined or even put in prison (see 'what if I'm charged with a criminal offence' below). If the police remove your vehicles, they must serve you with a removal notice, telling you to collect your vehicle within 21 days.
The notice should also explain where your vehicle is being stored and what removal and storage charges you need to pay before you can get it back. If you don't reclaim it within 21 days, the police can sell or destroy it. If they sell it, they must return the sale money to you, after deducting any charges.
What if I'm charged with a criminal offence?
If your site is causing problems in the area, or if there is trouble when the police arrive to move you on, they may charge you with a criminal offence, for example, breach of the peace. If the police think it necessary, you may also be arrested.
Eviction of Gypsies and Travellers by the police
If you are a Gypsy/Traveller and the council or a private landlord is trying to evict you from land you are occupying, they may call in the police to remove you. This page looks at the situations in which this can happen, and what you can do about it.
When do the police have the right to move me on?
By law, the police have the power to direct you to leave and remove your vehicles if:
* there are two or more people who intend to reside on the land without the owner's permission, and
* there are six or more vehicles parked on the land, or
* any of the people on the land have damaged the land or any property on the land in some way (this doesn't need to be extensive damage - it can include taking wood for a fire), or
* any of the people on the land have behaved in a threatening, abusive or insulting way towards the landowner or occupier or members of their family or their employees, and
* the landowner or occupier has asked you to leave.
The decision to direct you to leave must be made by a ‘senior police officer’ who is actually present on the land.
The police can also move you on if there are two or more people trespassing on the land with one or more vehicle and if there is a suitable alternative site available.
If you have permission to be on the land, the police can't move you on.
What do the police need to take into account before moving me on?
When deciding whether or not to move you on, the police need to take the following things into account. If you don't think they've done so, contact a local advice centre right away (see 'where can I get help and advice' below).
What are the consequences of moving you on?
The police need to consider what will happen if you're moved on. For example:
Will you be able to move to an authorised site, or will you have no choice but to park somewhere else illegally?
Will your children's education be disrupted? Will they be able to continue attending school if you move?
Will you be able to access health services if you have to move?
Will you lose your job, or be unable to find work if you move?
Are your vehicles in a fit state to make a journey?
Does everyone on the site needs to be moved?
If the police are moving you on because of antisocial behaviour, they should first make sure that your whole group isn't being punished for the bad behaviour of a few individuals. If this is the case, the police should only evict the troublemakers, and leave you in peace. Better still, if you can persuade the person who caused the problems to leave of their own accord, the police may agree to let everyone else stay.
Your personal circumstances
The police must also consider the health and safety of your household. For example, you may not have to move if anyone in your household is elderly, ill, or pregnant, or if you have small children, and a sudden move would endanger their health.
The police should also consider how long the site has been used by Gypsies/Travellers, and whether there has been any trouble in the past.
How do the police move me on?
In order to move you on, the police must come onto the land, and the senior police officer must ask you to leave. They may also give you a letter or written direction asking you to leave. You can ask them to give you time to speak to the landowner, to ask if you can stay on a little longer, although they don't have to grant you this time.
There is no minimum period of notice, so you'll be asked to leave as soon as you're able to, and you won't be able to return for three months.
What if I don't move on?
The police will ask you to move as soon as you're practically able to. For example, you should be given time to pack up the site and fix any broken down vehicles. If you don't leave within the time you're given, or you leave and subsequently trespass on the same land within three months, you'll be committing a criminal offence, and you may be arrested. The police will also have the right to tow away and impound your vehicles.
If you are then prosecuted for failing to comply with the police direction, or returning to trespass on the land, you can raise a defence if you can show that:
you were not trespassing on the land, or
you had a reasonable excuse for failing to leave the land as soon as reasonably practicable.
If you are convicted, you may be fined or even put in prison (see 'what if I'm charged with a criminal offence' below). If the police remove your vehicles, they must serve you with a removal notice, telling you to collect your vehicle within 21 days.
The notice should also explain where your vehicle is being stored and what removal and storage charges you need to pay before you can get it back. If you don't reclaim it within 21 days, the police can sell or destroy it. If they sell it, they must return the sale money to you, after deducting any charges.
What if I'm charged with a criminal offence?
If your site is causing problems in the area, or if there is trouble when the police arrive to move you on, they may charge you with a criminal offence, for example, breach of the peace. If the police think it necessary, you may also be arrested.