Wild park residents !!!

[happypig]

I don't think we disagree with what the Guideline fine is. The facts are, though, that this has never been used as a mechanism for controlling traveller encampments. So your suggestion that there may be previous similar convictions is unlikely to apply.

You misunderstand me, they may not have been done in the past but that's no reason to continue to turn a blind eye. It would seem, however, that the boys (and girls ) in blue are reluctant to act for some reason.

 

[Lord Bracknell]

You misunderstand me, they may not have been done in the past but that's no reason to continue to turn a blind eye. It would seem, however, that the boys (and girls ) in blue are reluctant to act for some reason.

And you misunderstand me. It's fairly obvious that the authorities HAVE acted effectively and the Wild Park encampment has been cleared. Dealing with such episodes by hauling people in front of the magistrates for trivial motoring offences that take months to get to court will not clear any encampments.

 

[Captain Sensible]

And you misunderstand me. It's fairly obvious that the authorities HAVE acted effectively and the Wild Park encampment has been cleared. Dealing with such episodes by hauling people in front of the magistrates for trivial motoring offences that take months to get to court will not clear any encampments.

Sorry LB but long term I think it would have an effect. If they ALL got hauled in front of magistrates for minor offences and given massive fines, then long term it might act as a deterrent. I mean its not like the council don't haul people in front of magistrates for minor motoring offences is it?
The bloody council do this ALL the time!!!!!

 

[macky]

ireland seems to have brought in laws that deal with the problem

 

[Lord Bracknell]

I mean its not like the council don't haul people in front of magistrates for minor motoring offences is it?
The bloody council do this ALL the time!!!!!

The Council NEVER take motoring offences to the magistrates. The Council only have powers to deal with parking offences by issuing penalty charge notices and, if they aren't paid, pursuing them as a civil debt through the Traffic Enforcement Centre County Court.

 

[happypig]

I'm not talking about the council, I'm talking about the police. They should be issuing tickets to the travellers for driving where they aren't allowed to, in the same way that you or I would get one if we broke the law.
If that leads to the travellers avoiding Sussex then I dont have a problem with that.

 

[8ace]

ireland seems to have brought in laws that deal with the problem

Wish all the pikeys would f*** off back there.

 

[macky]

Wish all the pikeys would f*** off back there.

I think that the reason we seem to be having more of a problem with them Is to do with the fact that the irish have brought in these laws

 

[8ace]

I think that the reason we seem to be having more of a problem with them Is to do with the fact that the irish have brought in these laws

This country is a f***ing joke sometimes.

 

[Captain Sensible]

The Council NEVER take motoring offences to the magistrates. The Council only have powers to deal with parking offences by issuing penalty charge notices and, if they aren't paid, pursuing them as a civil debt through the Traffic Enforcement Centre County Court.

Ok, council, police, whoever. There are laws, fines can be issued. Issue them, fine them, job done. Not paying a fine will result in heavier penalties. Just keep them coming. Alternatively, if I park in some old people's home car park, I'll get clamped by some scumbags that try to charge £300 to release my car. Police clamp illegally parked cars. Why not just clamp them? Make them stay there until they pay to release it. They won't drive on parks where they know they'll get clamped.
Whatever, the complications are, it's clear there are laws and punishments but the authorities just don't act on it. Wild park is wreaked, we all have to pay to clear it up. The Council say "what can we do?", the Police say "what can we do?". Not good enough.

 

[The Large One]

Sorry LB but long term I think it would have an effect. If they ALL got hauled in front of magistrates for minor offences and given massive fines, then long term it might act as a deterrent. I mean its not like the council don't haul people in front of magistrates for minor motoring offences is it?
The bloody council do this ALL the time!!!!!

... and people moan about a waste of taxpayers' expense.

 

[The Large One]

Ok, council, police, whoever. There are laws, fines can be issued. Issue them, fine them, job done. Not paying a fine will result in heavier penalties. Just keep them coming. Alternatively, if I park in some old people's home car park, I'll get clamped by some scumbags that try to charge £300 to release my car. Police clamp illegally parked cars. Why not just clamp them? Make them stay there until they pay to release it. They won't drive on parks where they know they'll get clamped.
Whatever, the complications are, it's clear there are laws and punishments but the authorities just don't act on it. Wild park is wreaked, we all have to pay to clear it up. The Council say "what can we do?", the Police say "what can we do?". Not good enough.

I thought the idea was for them to be moved on, not getting them to stay put.

 

[amexee]

And you misunderstand me. It's fairly obvious that the authorities HAVE acted effectively and the Wild Park encampment has been cleared. Dealing with such episodes by hauling people in front of the magistrates for trivial motoring offences that take months to get to court will not clear any encampments.

Maybe if less people found ways of excusing what is morally repugnant behaviour, the law would be enforced. Its strange that some people seem to become so rigidly attached to an idealistic interpretation of freedom that one person becomes so much more important than the majority.

Civil liberties/freedom of movement etc are fine and worthy ideals. However when scroats of various hues find loopholes and legal opt outs to exploit a right given to ensure life can be lived freely then it is those rights which are under attack.

Just because the law can be manipulated to allow something to happen, does not mean that there should not be alternative legislation used to prevent that abuse.

In other words, yes you are free to travel around but do it in a way that does not harm others lifestyle, or feck off.

 

[DanielT]

I am glad there are so many that are equally as irritated by these people.

Too many just don't care. I don't mean on nsc or in this thread specifically, but generally.

The "they do no harm" brigade who don't actually have a clue as to the harm they cause.

I am not suggesting he condones it, I'm just refering to it: what LB posted earlier: the 'know your rights' stuff. Knowing your rights if you're bring treated unfairly is one thing but websites or groups educating people in how to get away with their antisocial lifestyle is another.

The Cowley Club in London road is a place that teaches squatters how to get away with it, for example.

Being "politically correct" and "people's rights" while seemingly noble in theory, is being exploited and is largely the cause of this, preventing action from being taken (as mentioned so eloquently in the previous post's first paragraph)

 

[The Large One]

I am glad there are so many that are equally as irritated by these people.

Too many just don't care. The "they do no harm" brigade who don't actually have a clue as to the harm they cause.

What LB posted earlier: the 'know your rights' stuff. Knowing your rights if you're bring treated unfairly is one thing but websites or groups educating people in how to get away with their antisocial lifestyle is another.

The Cowley Club in London road is a place that teaches squatters how to get away with it, for example.

Being "politically correct" and "people's rights" while seemingly noble in theory, is being exploited and is largely the cause of this, preventing action from being taken

I don't think there's anyone on here saying 'they do no harm...'.

 

[DanielT]

I don't think there's anyone on here saying 'they do no harm...'.

Looking beyond nsc. There's a big world out there Al!

 

[The Large One]

Looking beyond nsc. There's a big world out there Al!

You referenced NSC by inference, and a poster directly.

Aside from that, it's bloody obvious most people are irritated by the travellers.

 

[DanielT]

You referenced NSC by inference, and a poster directly.

Aside from that, it's bloody obvious most people are irritated by the travellers.

I've edited the post and removed the inference, which was not deliberate, so as to clarify that I was not meaning this thread or any specific poster. I didn't mean it to sound as if I was having a go at anyone in here, I wasn't.

 

[Dewe-Road-Gull]

lord the authorities HAVE acted effectively? yeah right have you seen the fecking state of wild park now!?

 

[BadFish]

You referenced NSC by inference, and a poster directly.

Aside from that, it's bloody obvious most people are irritated by the travellers.

Most people are irritated by the travelers, the travelers behave in an anti social manner and have not respect for non travellers. Because of this everybody hates the pikies. It is a vicious cycle that no one is going to get out of unless there is some discussion about how to resolve the situation with a win win. Until then they will move from place to place behaving in exactly the way people expect them to.

They have no respect for us and we have non for them. This is the situation that needs to change.