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Who won the political debate ?.
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god he was shit house
Stumpy Tim
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Clegg won the half hour I saw. Neither Brown or Cameron could answer his stuff on Trident. Brown & Cameron were much of a muchnesss
Clegg done very well but I would take issue on a couple of points. Cameron was constantly interrupted when putting forwards his arguments. The other two were each given far more time to construct their points. On a number of occasions Cameron was missed out when there was debating between all three and was given only one chance to reply to Brown's and Clegg's two/three. This was even picked up by my wife who detests politics, even she said it appeared somewhat biased.
Having said that Clegg did well, Cameron appeared a bit wishy-washy and Brown the buffoon he is.
It will be interesting the slant given on the BBC and Sky somewhat organisations with very differing views.
Anyone watching Question Time would be left in no doubt who they support given John Sergeant's opinions considering his previous job at the Beeb.
Having said that Clegg did well, Cameron appeared a bit wishy-washy and Brown the buffoon he is.
It will be interesting the slant given on the BBC and Sky somewhat organisations with very differing views.
Anyone watching Question Time would be left in no doubt who they support given John Sergeant's opinions considering his previous job at the Beeb.
ROSM
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wasn't his most recent political job as Poltical lead for ITN? Or are they part of this labour bias too?
For reasons covered elsewhere I'm stuck out of the UK so didn't see the debate. There are still two debates to go albeit nominally on wider 'foreign' policy and then the economy. This one was supposed to be domestic matters hence I suspect the need to cover Trident. Which one of the 3 will give a more affected view?
GNF on Tour
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As previously posted Clegg had nothing to lose and went off on one knowing full well no matter what he said he would never get voted in, not by a country mile. Cameron performed surprisingly poorly in an environment totally suited to him which strangly put a moderate to goodish performance by Brown (clearly one of the cleverest poly's in the Commons but not up to much on the telly) as the one who probably came out of it the best. Not that any of this matters, people will only remember the last debate and even if they do how much it effects the voting is questionable.
Unfortunately the only thing going to keep that vile toff Cameron out of number 10 is if one of the shadow cabinet is caught buggering a ferret/catholic priest etc.
Unfortunately the only thing going to keep that vile toff Cameron out of number 10 is if one of the shadow cabinet is caught buggering a ferret/catholic priest etc.
But Cameron does the same thing. Ever since the election started, he's come out with proposed tax cuts, NI cuts and increases in public spending. For example, last night he promised longer prison sentences; he didn't specify what that meant but if every prisoner served his or her sentence in full, that would add more than £4bn to public expenditure.
A few weeks ago, his mantra was that the economy's bust, now it's awash with money. He doesn't say how or why, beyond cutting cabinet ministers' pay and reducing the number of MPs.
Brown came of worst last night because domestic policy is where he's at his weakest. But Cameron's going to have a grim time in the economic debate, unless he sharpens up his ideas, as that's the area where Labour do have some strength.
Taybha
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clegg and not just because he moves his arms a lot like troy tempest. The mouth covered bullshit cough was pure genius as gordy tried to explain away the wrong type of helicopter.
magoo
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Clegg impressed me most, the best of a dull bunch.
Not only what he said made more sense but he just seemed more likeable than the other two.
Not only what he said made more sense but he just seemed more likeable than the other two.
ROSM
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Since Cameron became leader there have been doubts about the lack of clarity in his policies. That was brushed away as 'well you cant expect him to give total clarity 3 years/ 2 years / 1 year etc from an election'.
Well here we are at the election and we still dont have that clarity (read the manifesto is anybody doubts this) If labour's or the lib dems is light on detail then compare them with dave's magnum opus. His main strategy (and quite rightly) has been to say that he's not Gordon Brown. That is his strength. However even this didn't cut it with the electorate for what may be a personality issue.
What he now has is another person (Clegg) who can also say 'I'm not Gordon Brown' and the difference being is that he is clearly resonating on a personal (if not political) level with the electorate. Vince Cable clearly won the Chancellor debate (unless you believe Sky News or the Sun who both claimed that Osborne edged it) despite analysis showing that Vince's so called 'good calls' on the economy weren't actually anywhre near what he originally said.
I don't think that the Lib dems will win or indeed be the main opposition (although that may be what labour are fearing today) but clearly whichever party wins the most seats will need to work with a reflect the Lib Dem values and ideas (and maybe their people) in their Government.
This could be an interesting/challenging time for Britain
Well here we are at the election and we still dont have that clarity (read the manifesto is anybody doubts this) If labour's or the lib dems is light on detail then compare them with dave's magnum opus. His main strategy (and quite rightly) has been to say that he's not Gordon Brown. That is his strength. However even this didn't cut it with the electorate for what may be a personality issue.
What he now has is another person (Clegg) who can also say 'I'm not Gordon Brown' and the difference being is that he is clearly resonating on a personal (if not political) level with the electorate. Vince Cable clearly won the Chancellor debate (unless you believe Sky News or the Sun who both claimed that Osborne edged it) despite analysis showing that Vince's so called 'good calls' on the economy weren't actually anywhre near what he originally said.
I don't think that the Lib dems will win or indeed be the main opposition (although that may be what labour are fearing today) but clearly whichever party wins the most seats will need to work with a reflect the Lib Dem values and ideas (and maybe their people) in their Government.
This could be an interesting/challenging time for Britain
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No, he worked for the bbc, which is a mouthpiece for labour.
Uncle Spielberg
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Nick Robinson's take on it. thinking about it this morning the net result is very bad news as it means a hung parliament is now hugely more likely which will be a total disaster for the country.
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The first ever Prime Ministerial debate will be remembered not - as so many predicted - for a gaffe or a scripted put-down or a bead of a sweat. It will be remembered as a serious debate about serious issues and, I suspect, the first of many election debates to come.
Politically it is the emergence of Nick Clegg as a serious player in this election which will prove to be most significant. The Liberal Democrat leader was given a great opportunity to introduce himself to the millions of voters who scarcely knew him and he took it with gusto.
The question is whether instant polls suggesting that he "won" the debate can be converted into increased support for his party. If so, what matters is where will that support come from.
With a hung parliament a very real possibility and with many voters saying that they like the idea of parties working together the Lib Dems are certain to find themselves wooed, attacked and scrutinised with renewed vigour.
The dynamic between David Cameron and Gordon Brown, their personalities and their policies did not fundamentally change as a result of this debate, but there is now
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The first ever Prime Ministerial debate will be remembered not - as so many predicted - for a gaffe or a scripted put-down or a bead of a sweat. It will be remembered as a serious debate about serious issues and, I suspect, the first of many election debates to come.
Politically it is the emergence of Nick Clegg as a serious player in this election which will prove to be most significant. The Liberal Democrat leader was given a great opportunity to introduce himself to the millions of voters who scarcely knew him and he took it with gusto.
The question is whether instant polls suggesting that he "won" the debate can be converted into increased support for his party. If so, what matters is where will that support come from.
With a hung parliament a very real possibility and with many voters saying that they like the idea of parties working together the Lib Dems are certain to find themselves wooed, attacked and scrutinised with renewed vigour.
The dynamic between David Cameron and Gordon Brown, their personalities and their policies did not fundamentally change as a result of this debate, but there is now
ROSM said his "most recent job". That was, indeed, at ITN as political editor.
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his most recent job was on strictly come dancing
Uncle Spielberg
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Most of the pundits this morning are saying Cameron was the loser. I did not see it that way but the commentators said he dissapointed. Brown did not lose further as people expected him to be shit and he didn't let them down. Cameron is under pressure to get some blows in now. Clegg is the Golden Chiild this morning.
Firstly, I don't think any of them came across badly, to be honest. I think it was a reasonable debate, with no-one dropping a major bollock, and all of them come across as better statesmen than some of the twats who have been running the show in other developed nations. Afterall, at least we're not lumbered with a clown like Berlosconi, Jacques Chirac, or George W.
Predictably, Clegg came off best - but as Cameron said, he did come across as "holier than thou" on occasion. That said, his manifesto is at least properly costed and very direct about how things are to be paid for. The Tories are relying on "cutting waste" and being far too coy on where the rest is coming from, and Labour are trying to convince the electorate to beware of the Tories because they won't say how they are going to pay off the debt, all the while ignoring the fact that they are not really going to make much of a dent in the national debt themselves.
The funniest bit was when Brown tried to cosy up to "the liberals" as he patronisingly calls them in the House of Commons, but Clegg was having none of it. Own goal there, I think. The LibDems have been all about parliamentary reform for decades, so it's pretty rich of either of the two bigger parties trying to suggest they were in agreement with them there.
43% Clegg, 26% Cameron, 20% Brown according to the Metro. I'd go along with that. Mind you, my natural inclination is to vote LibDem anyway.
Predictably, Clegg came off best - but as Cameron said, he did come across as "holier than thou" on occasion. That said, his manifesto is at least properly costed and very direct about how things are to be paid for. The Tories are relying on "cutting waste" and being far too coy on where the rest is coming from, and Labour are trying to convince the electorate to beware of the Tories because they won't say how they are going to pay off the debt, all the while ignoring the fact that they are not really going to make much of a dent in the national debt themselves.
The funniest bit was when Brown tried to cosy up to "the liberals" as he patronisingly calls them in the House of Commons, but Clegg was having none of it. Own goal there, I think. The LibDems have been all about parliamentary reform for decades, so it's pretty rich of either of the two bigger parties trying to suggest they were in agreement with them there.
43% Clegg, 26% Cameron, 20% Brown according to the Metro. I'd go along with that. Mind you, my natural inclination is to vote LibDem anyway.
Really? I certainly didn't see it that way. Mind you, in a keenly fought election such as this, I think Cameron needs to nail his colours to the mast and be honest to the electorate about how his party is going to pay for their plans. Brown was like a dog with a bone when it came to Tory costings, and Cameron didn't deal with it very well.
Brown came off worst. Afterall, Labour have had 13 years to sort out some of these issues so why are they only just being addressed. Exhibit 1: immigration. He's a sitting duck on that issue isn't he?
Uncle Spielberg
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I pretty much agree with all of that. The BBC are running down Cameron this morning but aren't the BBC notoriously pro Labour ?.
I can't honestly say that I've ever felt that way about the BBC but I'm slightly left of centre myself and most pro-Tories talk about the beeb in that way, so there must be truth in it.
Personally, I really do believe the lack of clarity of Tory spending plans is going to cost them an overall majority. They are treating the electorate like kids.
Personally, I really do believe the lack of clarity of Tory spending plans is going to cost them an overall majority. They are treating the electorate like kids.
Very nicely put agree with all of the above, now have been and always will be a Tory he ho, however I would prefer Nick Clegg to be our Prime Minister, but that means I like him for who he is and not what he does which is wrong, at times he reminded me of a contestant on the Apprentice lol, Cameron was polished but then he is good at that, Brown well let's just say you wouldn't want him representing your country in a similar international debate! One thing that annoys me with Brown is his party has had 13 years in Government, why now are they putting more police on the streets why now are they going to sort out imigration, I wonder. Incidently I remember the last GE when it was illegal to talk about imigration wtf