Which is the most racist country in the World?

[Tyrone Biggums]

Yes, they were , you have also avoided answering why Northern Ireland should be considered different to the likes of Haiti/Domnican Republic? If for instance, we had colonised Ireland within living memory, or even a couple of hundred years ago, then i would see some merit in your argument about Ulster being 'occupied by a foreign power', but we didn't and it isn't,sadly , as you have demonstrated before , your grasp of the anglo irish political situation is at best superficial , and at worst consists of fairy stories recycled at the ' We will never forget you Jimmy Sands' memorial club in Melbourne.

I've not avoided it, I just would have thought it obvious.

Haitians rule Haiti, as Dominican Republicans rule the Dominican Republic.

That's the diference, the native population has its own self rule, Northern Ireland doesn't as long as it's accountable to the British parliament.

 

[algie]

Just goes to show, the British who have either never visited Australia or have only been there for a short time are spouting ignorance, the ones who live in Australia actually know what is going on rather than basing their opinion on poor BBC journalism.

You are probably right.I've never been to Australia and base my facts on other poeples experiences and word of mouth.The press can also give the wrong impressions as well.Maybe this has clouded my view on it.
On the flip side people that i know who have been felt not very welcome there by the hosts and there does seem a anti British thing in Aussie.

 

[Tyrone Biggums]

Or, alternatively, you could call it by it's real name - a Racoonhound.

It's real name isn't a Racoonhound though, it's always been a Coonhound.

Racoons have for hundreds of years been called coons.

It seems only to you that its offensive as coon skin hats and coon cheese are perfectly acceptable in other nations because they have absolutely no connection at all to racist undertones.

 

[Tyrone Biggums]

You are probably right.I've never been to Australia and base my facts on other poeples experiences and word of mouth.The press can also give the wrong impressions as well.Maybe this has clouded my view on it.
On the flip side people that i know who have been felt not very welcome there by the hosts and there does seem a anti British thing in Aussie.

I don't think there's an anti-British thing here.

Nobody has a problem with the Scots or Welsh.

There may be some anti-English sentiment but the problem when saying "Aussies don't like English" is that those making that statement have no idea about who is making it.

Just because an Englishman says some Aussie gave him a hard time it
doesnt tell the whole story.

I went to school with alot of 2nd generation Croats and most of them hated the English.

So if one of them were to give some lip to an Englishman, the Englishman would go away and say it was an Aussie saying it.

When in reality because this place is so multicultural, most of the anti euro nation sentiment doesnt come from the native aussies, it comes from the euro immigrants or their offspring already here.

We still have 3rd/4th generation Australian Greeks and Macedonians fighting out here.

The Serbs and Croats still fight it out over here at local football matches.

 

[Common as Mook]

It seems only to you that its offensive as coon skin hats and coon cheese are perfectly acceptable in other nations because they have absolutely no connection at all to racist undertones.

Which is what I originally said. If it has no connotations in Australia then that's fair enough.

Here, they do. Strong connotations of racial prejudice and insult. That was the crux of my point with Bushy. Just because it is acceptable in Australia, doesn't make it so over here.

 

[rcf0712]

I see quite a few people have said Oz yet the expats deny it vigorously?

I didn't deny anything vigorously, just that things here been constantly improving since well before I came out 15 years ago and that the Aboriginal situation is a complex one that unless you live here it's hard to geta real handle on.
No one's denying the atrocities of old and Australia is hardly, to use a local phrase, Robinson Crusoe on having a forgettable history of race relations....

 

[User removed 4]

I've not avoided it, I just would have thought it obvious.

Haitians rule Haiti, as Dominican Republicans rule the Dominican Republic.

That's the diference, the native population has its own self rule, Northern Ireland doesn't as long as it's accountable to the British parliament.

So you would support Tasmania's minority aboriginal population if they desired self rule ?

 

[rcf0712]

Can you honestly say that it would be OK to have that name on a cheese in your local Sainsbury's? Please bear in mind the connotations it may have over here are probably less prevalent in Oz.

Not I, certainly not, it would be an absolute outrage. Everything has to be taken in context hence my brief history lesson on Coon Cheese's derivation in an earlier post.

 

[rcf0712]

I don't mind what people think.

The figures show though that test cricket and 50 over cricket is on the decline in popularity amongst fans.

20/20 is taking over in a big way.

When you get more to a state game of 20/20 than a 50 over game of Australia vs WI it shows people want their cricket fast and furious and over quickly.

Sorry but I can't agree with that, every bloke I know here be Aussie or expat Brit or whatever is absolutely fascinated and obsessed with every Ashes series, end of. I can't believe it's not the same in Victoria also, but maybe due to the huge proportion of Brits here it's more obvious?

 

[User removed 4]

On the flip side people that i know who have been felt not very welcome there by the hosts and there does seem a anti British thing in Aussie.

In years past it was a bit of an inferiority complex thing , aussies were treated very much as the 'country cousins' from the arse end of nowhere who were a little 'unsophisticated'with regard to the modern world,with the advent of various new forms of communication and media this is no longer the case,coupled with the realisation by most brits that the aussies have a lifestyle that knocks ours into a cocked hat.

 

[rcf0712]

In years past it was a bit of an inferiority complex thing , aussies were treated very much as the 'country cousins' from the arse end of nowhere who were a little 'unsophisticated'with regard to the modern world,with the advent of various new forms of communication and media this is no longer the case,coupled with the realisation by most brits that the aussies have a lifestyle that knocks ours into a cocked hat.

like it, as I said in an earlier post I've lived here 15 years now and have been abused offensively (as opposed to jovially) for being English once and even then arguably I asked for it tucking some bogan up on the black and then sinking it off an arsey double with my free shot to win his table at pool during a Sunday session......

 

[Garry Nelson's Left Foot]

I went to school with alot of 2nd generation Croats and most of them hated the English.

Does anyone know why this is? Presumably something to do with the break up of yugoslavia and all the wars that ensued? And why just the english, why not the british?

 

[JJ McClure]

I don't think any countries are racist. It's all just banter, ask Dicko.

 

[looney]

Which is what I originally said. If it has no connotations in Australia then that's fair enough.

Here, they do. Strong connotations of racial prejudice and insult. That was the crux of my point with Bushy. Just because it is acceptable in Australia, doesn't make it so over here.

You should not take a paranoid obsessive like yourself as an average member of the UK.

Most sane people would treat the word Coon in the context it was used in rather than decontetualising it to create drama and a quasi-religous ferment.


Coon is short for racoon, it also derives from Coon huts which slaves were kept in when landed in the USA.

Most on here if asked could only give one origin, the animal, and you'd have to be a total mentalist to see everything the other way round.

 

[Tyrone Biggums]

So you would support Tasmania's minority aboriginal population if they desired self rule ?

Within 50 years of the British landing in 1788 they had actually killed almost all of the Tasmanian aboriginals.

We were actually taught this in primary school and it was taught as something to be very sad about. And that was in the school cariculum in the 70's.

But to answer your question.

There are more than a few parts of Australia that exist where nobody and I mean nobody, may enter unless they gain permission from the native owners.

There are also places where the old native laws are sometimes administered to criminals instead of crown law.

Total self rule can never be returned to them, but certain powers have been restored so they can decide who or what enters their lands.

 

[looney]

Does anyone know why this is? Presumably something to do with the break up of yugoslavia and all the wars that ensued? And why just the english, why not the british?

With the Croats its a Catholic thing as well as Croatia being a historical allie to Germany(Who ever says it makes sense?)

 

[Tyrone Biggums]

Sorry but I can't agree with that, every bloke I know here be Aussie or expat Brit or whatever is absolutely fascinated and obsessed with every Ashes series, end of. I can't believe it's not the same in Victoria also, but maybe due to the huge proportion of Brits here it's more obvious?

It's very different in Victoria.

Melbourne isn't one big anglo saxon haven. In fact it's probably one of the most multicultural cities in the world.

It has the largest Greek population outside of Athens.

It also is the home to a large asian popualtion mainly from vietnam and china.

And that's jsut the tip of the iceberg when it comes to immigrant populations.

And it's with that in mind it has to be remembered, none of them like cricket.

They are more into football, both AFL and Soccer.

Because cricket is only played by certain commonwelath nations, most of the people who settled here as immigrants dont follow the game at all.

It's as simple as that.

 

[Common as Mook]

You should not take a paranoid obsessive like yourself as an average member of the UK.

Most sane people would treat the word Coon in the context it was used in rather than decontetualising it to create drama and a quasi-religous ferment.


Coon is short for racoon, it also derives from Coon huts which slaves were kept in when landed in the USA.

Most on here if asked could only give one origin, the animal, and you'd have to be a total mentalist to see everything the other way round.

Right, so if I went up to the average man in the street and said, "What does the word COON mean to you?" they would come back with stuff about Racoons and slave huts? Really?

As for the quasi-religious ferment, I don't think religion ahs got anything to do with this particular issue.

 

[Tyrone Biggums]

Does anyone know why this is? Presumably something to do with the break up of yugoslavia and all the wars that ensued? And why just the english, why not the british?

From my experience, the immigrants from nations of the balkans don't like anyone much.

Croats are some of the most arrogant people i've met.

And they hate blacks and asians big time.

 

[Zesh Rehman]

Israel arent a country so it cant be them. Probably Spain - *****